Dodge Down,screwed up symptoms

[ellis93]

Let it set till this storm was past for about two days after filling it up and adding Howes diesel conditioner to it. Apparently that was a mistake,cause it wasn't ran right since. I cranked it up yesterday afternoon to ride to moms to check on my cows and her pond. Truck cranked as normal but smoked like crazy and had a really low idle,so I said "that's weird" and gave it some throttle,truck chugged,smoked,and popped. Not at all normal running for this truck I shut it down and popped the hood to look for what ever was ailing it,everything was normal looking. Next I drained the fuel filter,good clean fuel came out,so I replaced the filter anyhow. Cranked it back up after bleeding the air,ran the same. This time I kept it running. After about 1min of running the smoke,low idle,and popping went away and didn't return till I started it up to go to the shop this morning,same siht all over again except it took almost 10min to straighten up,after it did it ran fine for about three or four miles till I stopped at an intersection and the bad running started again. Now it sets in my shop,while I peer over in the engine bay scratching my head
I've checked the fuel pressur,7lbs
I've changed the fuel filter
I've cracked the injector lines to see if there was a dead cylinder,bad injector(s)
Fixin to install a clear line to check for air bubble

Any other thoughts before I snatch the pump off and injectors off to be checked,I'm open to any and all advice

[ellis93]

Looks like I've gotta trash pile burning back there


No air bubbles in the fuel, its kinda acting like a timing issue at this point. Like something inside the pump has bellied up on me. I'd hate to think it was an injector problem as new as they are,of course I don't know how all 6 take a crap on me at the same time to cause the low idle.

[ellis93]

? fixin to use tacoclaws mod on it

[KTA]

I think you got gasoline instead of diesel fuel.

[ellis93]

Huh? surly not. I'll check but I've had my hands all in it and haven't smelled a thing.

[PToombs]

Are you sure it was diesel conditioner and not trans conditioner? It sure sounds like it has a air leak someplace from the symptoms.

[ellis93]

No it wasn't Trans fluid,wish like hell that's what I would have used
I put a clear line in between the pump and filter and didn't see a thing
I'm gonna try and use a jug tomorrow to eliminate the gas thing

[oldestof11]

It is possible that the fuel station mixed the tanks up when getting filled.

[ellis93]

IDK Jon,it's one hell of a deal if they did. I filled my truck up and some cans for moms generator at her house,luckly I only poured one out of 4 in. if gas is in my fuel im gonna be one pissed little feller somebody is gonna pay

[Tacoclaw]

Got it ready for you, Ellis:


I'm looking for a place out west to take a bike trip to this weekend, should I drop these off? If nothing else it sounds like you could top off your tank with the gas.

[ellis93]

Taco....bring it on! We'll roast hot dogs and marshmallow.

It's fubared, pumps done I pumped out all of the diesel in the tank,then 10more gallons of off road. Put 10 gallons of clean #2 in and let her run for about an hour with the throttle held down about a 1/4. Never cleared the smoke up,never leveled off. This sucks

as soon as I figure out how to work the vid on photobucket,I'll post on up

[JimmieD]

Probably not much help here but: It was fine before the Howe's treatment? Or were you experiencing driveability problems that caused you to dose it?

Could injectors have been so clogged up that now they're clean, passing loads more fuel?

Some of the experts here should be able to tell what the Howe's might have done to some component in the injection pump to dissolve or damage it. Did you overdose it or follow directions on Howe's label?

Have you checked for a boost leak, maybe soapy water mix sprayed all around I/C & boots, intake etc.?

[BC847]

Ellis, before you condemn the pump, remove and check the DVs for any trash.

It seems to me that if there were something wrong with the IP, it'd be across the board. Face it, there's not much to the VEs as far as the basic unit.
- If the H/R were whacked (scored walls, etc), it'd most likely scatter in a short time.
- The FSM talks about if when checking the IP timing via the dial-indicator, if the needle jumps radically while rotating the pump, the cam-plate's whacked.
- A whacked vane-pump might result in low case pressure with perhaps retarded timing, else low on power for lack of fuel.


You might pull the top of the IP off to see if you've got some water in there.


Weird.

[ellis93]

Probably not much help here but: It was fine before the Howe's treatment? Or were you experiencing driveability problems that caused you to dose it?

Could injectors have been so clogged up that now they're clean, passing loads more fuel?

Some of the experts here should be able to tell what the Howe's might have done to some component in the injection pump to dissolve or damage it. Did you overdose it or follow directions on Howe's label?

Have you checked for a boost leak, maybe soapy water mix sprayed all around I/C & boots, intake etc.?

There was really no reason for the Howes to be added,I just always throw a little something in the tank for insurance,usually dex/mer III. Least for the last 130k or so anyhow. Trucks ran perfect till now and the injectors are new-ish,6or8 months old

[ellis93]

Ellis, before you condemn the pump, remove and check the DVs for any trash.

It seems to me that if there were something wrong with the IP, it'd be across the board. Face it, there's not much to the VEs as far as the basic unit.
- If the H/R were whacked (scored walls, etc), it'd most likely scatter in a short time.
- The FSM talks about if when checking the IP timing via the dial-indicator, if the needle jumps radically while rotating the pump, the cam-plate's whacked.
- A whacked vane-pump might result in low case pressure with perhaps retarded timing, else low on power for lack of fuel.


You might pull the top of the IP off to see if you've got some water in there.


Weird.

I really think it has something to do with the case pressures with the way it came and went,idk