Where's all the 5.9 air to water aftercoolers??

[JLeonard]

What did you pay for the cooler and the injection lines if you don't mind me asking

I offered what he was asking...$100 plus shipping. We didn't close the deal yet though but I hope to by early next week.

[MMiller]

I think most are missing the point on efficiancy that a pulling truck or a dyno queen, the efficiancy of an air-to-air aftercooler is not going to be very efficiant as the truck is not moving very fast. So if you want the ATA to be efficient when standing still you need the fan to move a bunch of air. Fans driven off the engine will see 20-30 hp just moving air. *IF* I were building a pulling truck, it would not have an engine driven fan, and a cooler inthe back filled with cold water and ice, a 12 volt pump and hoses circulating for a cooler air charge.

Michael

[PToombs]

and a cooler inthe back filled with cold water and ice, a 12 volt pump and hoses circulating for a cooler air charge.

Michael

Now where did I hear that before?

[Begle1]

Okay guys, I've made a compromise.

I still think that a air-to-water intercooler would overheat just about any sealed water system you can build, even on a drag truck. You're talking about a lot of BTU's, no matter what you're still limited to the radiator on the intercooler system, and you have all that added complexity.

An air-to-air intercooler, however, isn't quite as efficient unless it's moving really fast.

ENTER THE EPIPHENY

http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/mist.shtml
Yeah, that's right. Bask in the genius of the Begle.

Why use a sealed heating system? We all know that in the rain, an air-to-air intercooler becomes hundreds of times more efficient. Water droplets hit it, evaporate instantly and take tons of heat with them. This system would be like mechanical sweat. You wouldn't have worry about cooling the water like you would on a sealed air-to-intercooler system. And a mister system could be lightweight, simple, and made out of junkyard windshield washer fluid pumps and rubber mister hose. I'm serious here.

The only downside is that a lot of people probably wouldn't want you spraying their tracks and dyno's down with mist; you might have to set the mist to come on according to boost or intake temperature, like on a water injection system; that way all of the water would evaporate and you wouldn't be sitting at idle with water dripping off your intercooler.


I'm a genius and ya'll know it.

[wannadiesel]

It's been one many times. Also done with WW fluid or CO2.

[Begle1]

It's been one many times. Also done with WW fluid or CO2.

Done in what applications?

[Greenleaf]

You guys are nuts.

The engine you want parts from is serial number 44342895. I have one and no you can't have the lines and cooler.

I'm junking the whole thing. I can't run it any longer. The engine keeps comming apart. I busted the OEM head and then broke the new/updated cylinder head too. (SPLIT IT OPEN) The engine is full of coolant......and the coolant is full of oil. But it still runs well.

Now the transmission burned up.

The bus dealer in Lima Ohio will likely buy it (for 50.00) and install a used transmission and sell it for $3,000 to $4,000 to a church. We don't sell our buses due to the extream red tape. I trade them in and it's neat and easy for me.

Repeat, I DO NOT sell used buses.

BTW the original cooler you guys want, broke and filled the engine with coolant a number of years ago. I installed another (used cooler) I got from a bus yard for 75.00

[BC847]

Went to the local dyno for my heap the other day, .. .

It just so happens this shop is a Ferd shop.

They were working on a ride that runs a belt driven turbo and sported an ATW aftercooler system.



Has the aftercooler in the back seat.



didn't really get any specs other than it's shooting for 1000to 1200HP, and they don't give them away.

[TWorline]

What did they get that turbo from, a tank? It is almost as big as the engine!

[BC847]

What did they get that turbo from, a tank? It is almost as big as the engine!

Not sure where it came from but it does have a big cake-hole.

[BC847]

Why use a sealed heating system? We all know that in the rain, an air-to-air intercooler becomes hundreds of times more efficient. Water droplets hit it, evaporate instantly and take tons of heat with them. This system would be like mechanical sweat. You wouldn't have worry about cooling the water like you would on a sealed air-to-intercooler system. And a mister system could be lightweight, simple, and made out of junkyard windshield washer fluid pumps and rubber mister hose. I'm serious here.

As its operation is based on evaporation, it would, . . well, . . . what's the word I'm looking for, ... . . "suck" . . . when the outdoor relative humidity is 100%. At perhaps a more common 50% RH it would have to a rather large system (REF surface area) to move the BTU content required and be cost effective not so much dollars, but weight.
There are the liquefied gas systems that spray onto ones after-cooler. But they work with a liquid changing state more so because of the pressure drop going from the bottle as a liquid and changing to a gas at the after-cooler. In doing so they MUST absorb heat to make the state change.
A system using water alone does not have the same ability.

If we must stick to a water based system, the weight thought perhaps brings us back to water injection.

[Begle1]

Wouldn't that "belt driven turbocharger" be more accurately a centrifugal supercharger? Under which case it probably is maxing out around 20PSI?

My system may or may not work as well in humid conditions, but humid air burns cooler anyways, so you wouldn't need as much of an efficiency increase to break even.

I've always said that water injection is the best, but I'll bet a stack of loose leaf college ruled paper and some mats of rubber that a water-misted system will be measurably better than a air-to-water system off of a school bus in any realistic situation.

[Fnschlaud4620]

Yes, that is a centrifical supercharger, it is a F3 Procharger, when I worked for Hardcore Racing, we ran these at 45psi of boost.

[Begle1]

Yes, that is a centrifical supercharger, it is a F3 Procharger, when I worked for Hardcore Racing, we ran these at 45psi of boost.

Holy Moly! I thought that anything over 20 PSI on a supercharger was a rarity. Or is that only the case with the old school roots types? Or is that just not the case at all?

[Fnschlaud4620]

No, it is not a roots style. It is centrifical.

We ran 45 psi on an LS1 based V-8.

The ports would flow in the 400s at .900 lift

I would think they would make huge boost on a cummins

Then again their life expectancy was only 10 passes making almost 2000hp

but we had ProCharge as a sponser, so no worries.

Personally I think they are junk, after every pass we changed the oil in the self contained supercharger, every time the oil came out looking like silver spray paint, due to the gears inside destroying themselves.

Just my 2 cents
Fnschlaud4620