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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:36 pm

cmann250 wrote:
ellis93 wrote:Caleb....nope gonna use it,and its not that old.....70s maybe :lol:

Wow. You must hate life :lol: We're small timers around here and we have a 570 NH baler.

I use to work at a massy dealer in high school,back when I was a teen and my dad an I didn't see eye to eye, and I got good with the knotter system and timing them. That's the two things that tend to screw up the most,plus age has a way on them too.
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:41 pm

RCCUMMINS89 wrote:Now, if you think about having that much timing along with those 7x10s having a shorter injector tip along with the thick washers..... I'm sure you were spraying outside the bowl.

I was just thinking the same,possibly the amount of timing I have actually helped things with them tho. I may have needed more with them.
Now I have the proper length tips and those thin washers=extreme timing.......right?

Those tips length is damn near 1/8" different,thats a lot in my minds eye.
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby cmann250 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:19 pm

ellis93 wrote:I use to work at a massy dealer in high school,back when I was a teen and my dad an I didn't see eye to eye, and I got good with the knotter system and timing them. That's the two things that tend to screw up the most,plus age has a way on them too.

Ahhh, I see. I've spent my fair share of late evenings figuring out why the knotter isn't wiping the knot off the billhook and double tying the bales. :mad: Usally when rain is due in tomorrow :lol:
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:08 pm

Eric.....I need confirmation of my previous posting :lol: timing is scheduled for the am ;)
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:12 pm

Ok, hopefully that's what the haze is from. Now if you are getting it all the time even at operating temp it might be something else.

Either way, I would venture to say that you'll probably notice a huge increase in low end torque backing that timing off.
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:32 pm

I hope so it really hasn't felt right since I did all that work to it. Use to I'd just let off the clutch and the motor would never change tune,it's been kinda gasser like,have to give her some fuel to keep things the same. I have kind of just ignored that because of the power I've had on the top side. Really my truck has been the strongest I've felt or towed with. I'm not bullschitin either,I can tow either flat or up hill whatever I want and not mash harder. All ive had to do is keep that truck running 70 and let her go. I can set the cruise and let her eat.

With all that said I kinda regret fooling with it :lol: .....doh
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:51 pm

Nah.... you can always fool with it back. You'll never know where it'll run the best until you fool with it.
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:00 pm

True enough......dang thing sounds like a ppump motor right now :lol: thats gotta go
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:08 am

Alright....timing is backed off,almost bottomed against the bolt slots in the flang. I cranked it,let her warm and about 97% was gone. Engine rattle is gone.

Since I was there screwing around I removed the afc top and cut down the lugs around the bottom of the smoke screw,this allowed the M&H m2 pin to rise high enough to get the guide pin off the ramp. That took care of the rest of the haze.

Now all I have to do is drive it and see what or how bad ive screwed the top end up.

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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:46 am

So your hazing problem is gone? Yay!

How was the initial drive for low end and high end?
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:10 am

Everything seems the same except the haze and the idle is off some. I usually like it about 9 or 950rpm,that's where it's the smoothest. I also can't tell about the smoke when climbing on the throttle,too much wind and rain today to act out some that'll wait till another day :(
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:24 am

Smoke is still there when calling on the truck to go,but.....in 88miles it took 4.8 gallons,thats 18.3 miles per gallon. I'm getting better,just not where I want to be just yet :lol:

Power testing starts a 12 o'clock today :twisted:
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:34 pm

Guess I need to tune it more,lots of smoke and mild heat(egt) and less power :?

Plus it still wants to rattle at times :scratch:

Stopped and looked at a Dmax on the return,I've got an ugly thought :lol:
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:01 pm

Might need more timing.....
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Re: now I've a smoke issue

Postby ellis93 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:43 pm

RCCUMMINS89 wrote:Might need more timing.....

I just backed it off :o
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