Differance in VE Pumps

[BlitzKrieg]

Can somebody explain the diff in any in the 114 pump and the 103 pump.

[GPSMatt]

or the 205 pump?

[cummins king]

205 is 1991.5 to 1993 auto or standard
i belive not one hunderd present sure but i belive the 103 is pre 1991.5 standard and the 114 is pre 1991.5 auto

[dpuckett]

Cummins King, you are partially right.

Actually, I'm not sure where the 103 fits in, except maybe the EARLY 89s (maybe 88 actual mfg year). Bill Gilbert's 89 came with a "lowly 103 pump" Not sure if that's the one KTA redid or if he had another one.

114 pump- 89-early 91, nonIC, CPL 0804
184 pump- 91- early92, IC'd, CPL 1351 (21cm Lagmaster)
205 pump- 92.5- 93, IC'd, CPL 1579.
Transmission made no difference- it was based on time.

The 92.5 was started sometime between April and June 92, as Mom's 92 (build of April 92) is a CPL 1351; mine is a CPL 1579 (build of June 92).

The 184 and 205 are directly interchangeable, and use the same lines and injectors. SOME 184s were involved in the safety recall and replaced with 205 pumps (wish I had known that when I had the smoky 91.5 that got 24mpg- it had a plain unpainted pump which told me it had been rebuilt). I think the differences are internal and not very noticeable.

The 114 and 184/205s have different delivery valves and holders, though to the naked eye, the DVs are very similar. The 114 DV holders extend about an inch farther (+/-) than the IC DV holders, and use bigger ID lines, that are also routed differently.

Daniel

[cummins king]

thanks dp had know idea that was the dirence between the pumps

your whole family got a truck

[ontos]

Is there a down side to a 114 vs newer? Thanks

[GO OVRIT]

A friend of mine had a 93 d350 dually with a p7100. He got it when it was a couple years old and was told it was all original. The top cover said 195 horse. I believe it was a july or august truck. Anybody ever heard of this?

[peobryant]

If it was P-Pumped, then it was not all original. I have heard of people swapping their VE Pumps for a P7100 pump, but they didn't come on 1st gens.

[cumminsram]

Sounds like somebody swapped an industrial engine in and pulled a fast one.

[rbrettctd]

That holds the same amount of truth as the rumor that 1st gens came with nv4500s in late 92 and 93.

[GO OVRIT]

Whoever did it must have done it in 94 or 95 then which would make it one of the first p pumped first gens.

[cummins king]

i like cumminsram theroy

[fasttalker83]

can someone tell me if the older VE pump is weaker than the newer ones I would like to take one off of a 90 and rebuild it and turn it up to its max trying to build a puller with it and I dont want to switch to a P-pump or just not yet anyways Thanks Quinten

[dpuckett]

In my experience, no pump is more durable than the others. The 205 is considered the Holy Grail, but I'm not sure why. Maybe because it was from the last year, and normally the last year is the best?

My whole family doesnt have Cummins trucks- I've had 8 of them through the years, and Mom has one (actually was my first).
DP