6. oh no Powerstrokes

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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby The_Head » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:14 pm

I'm not a mechanic, and I kind of hate doing that work when I do do it. I am willing to pay to play if required though. I'd rather find a competant someone who is doing sidework than go through a shop for the reason you mentioned... overhead. I got a coworker who used to work for Ford, this was before the 6.0's came out (he says he is well trained in the 7.3's though), but he will do mechanical work for me for a great rate when he is not hunting.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby ellis93 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:28 pm

The_Head wrote:I'm not a mechanic, and I kind of hate doing that work when I do do it. I am willing to pay to play if required though. I'd rather find a competant someone who is doing sidework than go through a shop for the reason you mentioned... overhead. I got a coworker who used to work for Ford, this was before the 6.0's came out (he says he is well trained in the 7.3's though), but he will do mechanical work for me for a great rate when he is not hunting.


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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby CumminsPower59 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:38 pm

Ellis, at $70 and hour, that is an honest and fair rate in my book, it's when it hits $100+ for general labor is spendy. If someone/shop provides a specialized service, like studs/gaskets on 6.0's, has a good record, and can get the repairs done in a timely manner, sure, I'd probably pay it if I wasn't so broke ;)

I do feel for the guys like you Ellis, small operations that are honest, competent and trustworthy...doesn't seem to be too many left in my area anyways, it's even worse on the commercial side of things...seems most places around here use the "shotgun" method, just slinging parts untill something is fixed, then stick you with the bill :(
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby cmann250 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:45 pm

ellis93 wrote:Closet Ford Lover :lol:


You rang?

I fortunately can't say I have any first hand experience with the 6.0L, but I would put my understanding of the platform against almost anyone. I keep track of the aftermarket and the used truck market on these trucks. In other words, I'm not a Diesel Power scholar on the matter.

Deleting the EGR, changing the oil cooler, and putting head studs on a truck that has not hiccupped is a waste of money IMO. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. IMO that's just inviting the voodoo to become active. Especially on a finicky platform like the 6.0L. The "bulletproofed" argument is not strong enough. Many halfway "bulletproofed" trucks still wreak havoc on their owners wallets. That is why I would not recommend buying a truck (especially 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand) that has already been modified.

I spoke with Jon a while ago and one of his coworkers had/s a 6.0L that he hauls sleds to the U.P. with. The truck has some incredibly low mileage on it, like under 40k at about 10 years old. It's a lemon and has been a headache from day one. By the 50-60k mile mark, the issues have popped up or they likely won't. That is why I think a 6.0L with 60,70,80K trouble free miles would be the one to have.

IF I had a 6.0L that took a dump at 75k miles, I'd change the oil cooler, delete the EGR, add a coolant filter, get NEW heads o-ringed, and put studs in it. At that time, I'd check on the turbo, injectors, and HPOP. Replace accordingly. It hiccups again, sent it down the road and look for something else.

To sum all that up, I believe that by doing your homework you can get a good truck that has an interior and ride that is infinity times better than a 1st gen's, while being realistically reliable (1st gens are above average IMO), and not tying up a huge sum of money. If the market on 6.0Ls drops out in 5 years and the market on 7.3Ls and 12vs shoots up, I'll look at a 6.0L if they enter my realm of cheapness.

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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby Remps » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:42 pm

I like them for high speed cruising. Wind it up to the 160 kph speed limiter then turn key to start position for about 5 seconds and you bypass the speed limiter. Stock 6 litres can go around 197-199 kph top speed.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby DodgeFreak » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:05 am

Remps wrote:I like them for high speed cruising. Wind it up to the 160 kph speed limiter then turn key to start position for about 5 seconds and you bypass the speed limiter. Stock 6 litres can go around 197-199 kph top speed.


Good to know!! we have some 6.0s here at work that are bucket trucks....maybe I'll try that out.....lol...I would if I wouldn't get into trouble lol.

The 6.0s we have here have been junk. anything from head gaskets to turbos to egrs.. to what everyone has said. We've put transmissions in a few, we've put engines in and then then another engine. BUT they get abused pretty good. Oil gets changed every 6months. They idle a lot and weigh 18k pounds.

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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby 1STGENFARMBOY » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:21 am

CumminsPower59 wrote:Ellis, at $70 and hour, that is an honest and fair rate in my book, it's when it hits $100+ for general labor is spendy. If someone/shop provides a specialized service, like studs/gaskets on 6.0's, has a good record, and can get the repairs done in a timely manner, sure, I'd probably pay it if I wasn't so broke ;)

I do feel for the guys like you Ellis, small operations that are honest, competent and trustworthy...doesn't seem to be too many left in my area anyways, it's even worse on the commercial side of things...seems most places around here use the "shotgun" method, just slinging parts untill something is fixed, then stick you with the bill :(



I do all my own work, because I don't want to pay shop rates for a kid that served my lunch the week before, if I knew for certain I would get someone
like Ellis it wouldn't be so bad, I just went out to look at one of our fleet cars, guy said he couldn't turn it, we had it at the shop last week for this same issue,
I checked the PS fluid...none...looked under the car ...there it was on the ground...the dweeb and the shop didn't slid the rubber hose past the rib on the steel
line before he clamped it...no tellin what we paid for him to be incompetent.... :mad:

last time I bought a new car and took it in for the " complementary " oil change the filter and plug leaked......that was the last straw... no one touches my stuff for anything....tires for sure...
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby DodgeFreak » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:51 am

We just had a Ram 5500 in and the operator complained that the trailer brakes would lock up when stepping on the brakes. Had a Dodge dealer look at it 3 times and the Altec guy look at it twice with in a year and they couldn't figure it out. It came in for its yearly boom inspection\dot\service and I followed the wiring diagram and found out that when Altec put the boom\body on they bypassed the oem wiring for the brake controller and wired it into a brake light switch. Stripped the Oem wire and hooked it up and all tested fine. I wonder how much we paid for those 5 visits.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby CumminsPower59 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:24 pm

Altec wiring is horrible. We had a rental Ram 5500 come in because when you hit the turn signal, the reverse alarm and lights would come on....fun stuff let me tell you.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby DodgeFreak » Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:09 am

their wiring and hyd plumbing both sucks lol.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby CumminsPower59 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:23 pm

And our newest ones are fiber optic...
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby DMan1198 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:21 pm

I've only dealt with one 6.0. It was a 550 that didn't run much, so it's batteries kept going dead. There was also only one time it wasn't parked inside before it stopped being used regularly and it didn't start that next morning. We also had 2 6.4's that wreaked heads. One of them at like 0 kms then at 30,000 then again a little later. Then they deleted it and it still kept having problems. Ford eventually bought that one back. We now have 6.7's (one is a ram) and they've been better.

I find fords have less passenger foot space, the regular cab models have significantly less room than any year ram regular cab (first gens having the most passenger footwell space) the seats also seem to be a little bit narrower.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:26 pm

A little off topic, but not really because it does involve newer trucks.


Went hunting yesterday with a buddy... has an 09 duramax with less than 60k miles. Crew cab long box. BONE STOCK

14 mpg

Fuel gauge doesn't work

Check engine light is on

Driver's side heated mirror doesn't work

Neither electric seat works

Passenger seat heater doesn't work

Door locks don't work

Shift into 4 high and it goes to 4 low

Transmission wouldn't shift out of 2nd once for 10 minutes

Couldn't get it to disengage out of 4 low for quite some time.



Ya..........not my cup of tea.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby 1STGENFARMBOY » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:34 am

sounds like a nice truck, I wish I could owe 20k for a truck like that. :lol:
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby CumminsPower59 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:39 am

I take it that it must be out of warranty???
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