6. oh no Powerstrokes

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6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby The_Head » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:53 pm

Are these good trucks once you fix the flaws they have? Or should they be avoided altogether? I been kind of looking at them on Autotrader.

My work leases Fords, and we used to have 6.0's and they did OK except for our shop trucks, which were like 18,000 lbs all the time. They went through alot of injectors. But, they also idled like 90% of the time, and I think that probably killed the oil which in turn killed the injectors?

I got to drive one of the old ones we used to have and it had some nice pep for a stocker.

My brother has one, and one of the computers just decided to die for no apparent reason. I think it set him back 600 bucks.

Tell me what experience you have with these trucks, if any.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:56 pm

All of the powerstroke bashing/b.s. aside...........

There is a local shop that knows diesels to say the least....they build probably 70 cummins engines a year and they know how to make power.

They ALL now drive 6.0 powerstrokes. I was told because, "they are the best TRUCK that there is, once you bullet proof the engine they will treat you better than any other truck out there. They don't have the "t" word (torque) and there fore won't break things like the Cummins will yet becasue they make hp they are just as fast. If you treat them like what they are, a heavy duty car, they will treat you right."

I was then told that it costs $10,000 to bullet proof the 6.0. I then said........f that, my truck can be fully rebuilt for ten grand.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby The_Head » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:07 pm

10,000 to bullet proof it? fuuuuu.. I thought you fixed that EGR issue they had, what else do you gotta do to make it reliable?

There's a ton of clean examples on Autotrader for very good prices.

I am with you on the "less" torque part. When I drove the 6.0's we had at work, they made good power, but they used some revs. But that's ok. Seems the trannys do ok. but we did have some issues with a couple of our work trucks trannies, but that's because they have to tow a work trailer that can weigh 30,000 lbs. One of our bosses ruined his 6.4 tranny, but he was notorious for abusing his truck. I rode with him alot, he drives like an ass.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:11 pm

I don't know the insides that well....but I'm pretty sure they have issues like.... plastic tappet bushings or something or other.

That 10 grand meant....they pull the engine, FULLY build it with all of the goodies, and then make it go fast. I didn't get into details because he was trying to talk me into them... and it went like this (after the above quotes) "ya, you can buy a really nice truck for 10-12k and then give us 10 grand to bullet proof it".......he kept going on, but at that point I laughed and said "no, that's ok.... I like my breaking stuff Cummins".
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:12 pm

Oh, and the low torque is def. true. I don't know what year or engine, but there was a powerstroke at dyno I went to and it made something like 375/555. Ya, it was by far the lowest torque of the day.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby Tacoclaw » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:14 pm

We had a mega-lemon '03 6.0, the only thing that would have cured it was a new engine(or a Cummins, which is what we did), then I've been around two '03 trucks that are still bone stock and running every day. Both of them 4-doors and autos, the shortbed has been back to the dealer for a few things but none of the major problems they seem to have The longbed's history is a mystery to me but it is a running truck.

Personally, I hate the way they drive. Like RC said, no torque whatsoever, you hit the throttle and wait for the truck to start pulling. There's no huge surge like the cummins have, it feels more like the way a car accelerates. They do sound sexy as hell though, one of those trucks with a straight pipe will about bring me to my knees. The best sounding turbo I've ever heard, bar none. Let alone when they're sitting there singing while the truck is idling. 8)
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby Tacoclaw » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:17 pm

In terms of making them reliable, studs, EGR delete and good coolant, oil, and battery maintenance seem to be the key. The studs are a stretch (pun intended), but of you plan on bumping the power much at all I think they become a requirement pretty quickly.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby Tacoclaw » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:18 pm

I wouldn't want one, but that's just me. Spoiled with torque I think. :mrgreen:
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby The_Head » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:18 pm

The lower torque doesn't bother me too much. I'm not sure how many gears the autos have, but they seem to make good use of the gears to get things moving.

What do you gotta do to make a stock one reliable? I know they have that EGR cooler issue.

If I were to get one, I would put a mild programmer on it, and that would be it. 400-425 to the wheels would be fine. My goal, in theory, is to get something more modern than what I have for a economical price.

We have a couple guys who have 6.0's and they sound like jet engines, must be some kind of tuner or something. It sounds cool for awhile, then it grates on me. Would not do that.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby AHineman » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:20 pm

Levi, how much did you guys have in the Cummins conversion?
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby The_Head » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:21 pm

Yeah, I guess they use high pressure oil to fire the injectors, so you gotta keep clean oil in there.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:25 pm

Used to drive an 06 duramax with the allison... pretty sweet truck. Thought about a duramax. I kind of have a thing for Chevy trucks. They ride 10x better IMO than anything else. I used to tow boats for a living and used nothing but Chevy trucks......NEVER EVER EVER had one EVER let me down or have anything go wrong. All of those trucks were (gas and diesel) 04-06 trucks.
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby AHineman » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:31 pm

If I had to choose a diesel pickup besides a Cummins, I would get a Duramax or possibly a 7.3 Powerstroke. Hate to admit it, but I'd drive a new GMC. :oops:
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby The_Head » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:35 pm

I looked at Duramaxes as well. They are about $10,000 more compared to the same PS of the same year/equipment level. My brother had an '07, now he has an '11. They are nice, that's for sure.

Would not buy 7.3 PS. IMO, it's in the same league as our trucks.... old. Too old for me anyways (referring to the OBS).
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Re: 6. oh no Powerstrokes

Postby AHineman » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:50 pm

I've always liked the OBS Fords, but finding one in great shape for a good price is like finding a first gen in the same condition. The '99-03 7.3s would be right up your alley if you are looking at 6.0s.

I'm a mopar guy, but would buy certain models of the other brands.
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