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I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby The_Head » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:31 pm

After the successful thread I started about the 6.0 Powerstrokes, Let's talk some more about another.

I'm looking at a brand new GMC Sierra 2500HD, with the 6.0 gasser. I get some advice from my brother. He says they've been around since 1999 and are pretty reliable. He also drives a 2011 GMC 2500HD with the Duramax, and says the truck still drives like new. He has 70,000 miles on it. He uses it like a car most of the time though. I would be doing pretty much the same thing, as this truck would become my daily driver, mostly in winter, when it warms up I am on 2 wheels. I'd drive it about 6K a year, with about 1500 of that being tow/haul miles. I am out of town alot for my job, so it stays parked in our yard at work about 50% of the year.

I've been pricing the plain jane versions, and you can get one brand new for pretty cheap, like 23-25K. That's the 4WD, RC, "WT" trim level, with a few options, but not much. I don't really need all the techo-gee-whiz gadgetry that comes with vehicles these days (Ido drive a first gen) and am willing to live without it to keep the MSRP low.

Just wondering what you all thought about a truck like this. I think the max towing with 3.73's is only 9900, but I've yet to exceed that with my truck. I might of left some stuff out, but am interested to hear your opinions...
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby ellis93 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:05 pm

No way you could go wrong with the gasser imho.
Your brother is right,their tough......but they're tough on your wallet too. If you don't mind 15mpgs pn the highway your good to go.
The only thing I have ever done on one was fuel injectors on the older ones. The way that GM has the fuel rails on them tends to let ethanol build up wash to the rear and stop up the screens in the two rearmost injectors. This is an easy fix...don't run ethanol or actually use the truck (don't let it sit because you don't like the mileage) Most of the time you can bump out the buildup,in extreme cases you buy a 30$ injector....or 4.
That might not be the case on newer stuff tho.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby AHineman » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:07 pm

Those GMCs are good looking trucks. I've seen regular cab 3500s (dually or srw) diesel 4wd advertised for $33999 or so. If I was in the market for a new one I'd spend the extra for the diesel. You'll get your money back on resale or if your like me and keep it forever it'll last longer.


I also think you could get a Dodge for about that price or so too.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby DMan1198 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:30 pm

I like the new ram 1500's (not as much as the HD's but they're nice) the v6 version has decent power and great mileage. Then there's the option of a diesel (the only one too) and the hemi is available on the base models
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby Remps » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:48 pm

We have a 2010 2500 6.0 liter at work, it has friggin balls, it surprised the heck outta me. Had an 03 on the rigs years ago with the 6.0, it couldn't break the back tires loose in sand lol. I tried to kill it so we could get rid of it already, put it in 1st on a rig move, held it to the floor, with the cruise on, hitting the resume button as fast as I could. This would make it rev 600 rpm past the rev limiter of 5800. It was still running like a regular ole pos 45 minutes later. :lol: they seem to be hit or miss for power, i would test drive more than one, IMO. Fuel mileage sucks, but better than a new diesel.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:29 pm

My old work truck was a 2004 6.0 2500 HD std. cab long box. Truck got 14mpg...and about 10 towing heavy weight.

If you figure in the gas vs diesel price difference......it's about the same.

That truck had MAJOR balls too, I have personally towed over 25k pounds up a grade (figure 5-6%) at 60mph. With no watching gaues. Try that with our diesels.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby The_Head » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:30 pm

AHineman wrote:I also think you could get a Dodge for about that price or so too.


A gasser, yes you can. I've been talking to the Dave Smith dealership up in Idaho. I could probably get a RC, 4WD, Tradesman Ram 2500 with the Cummins for about 34k, basically 10K off sticker, but I am really on the fence about getting a new Diesel. I don't really need one now, but on the other hand, it would be nice to have the extra towing capacity in the future, just in case. It just seems like a waste to be driving a truck like that unloaded 89% of the time.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby The_Head » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:36 pm

RCCUMMINS89 wrote:
If you figure in the gas vs diesel price difference......it's about the same.


I've been running the numbers. The Cummins or Duramax upgrade is about $8000. We all know they are more fuel efficient. But, it would take me about 100,000 miles of towing to recoup the cost of the engine upgrade. It would take 990,000 miles of unloaded driving to recoup the cost of the engine upgrade. We all know the diesel option is the better towing choice, but I don't tow that often, so I've been questioning the need for it.

Math I used... Regular price = $3.20, Diesel price = $3.90 6.0 gasser towing = 9 mpg, Diesel towing = 14 mpg, 6.0 gasser unloaded = 15 mpg, diesel unloaded = 19 mpg and I think additive is about 15-30 cents per mile, depending on how much you want to use, and what kind.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:43 pm

What are they claiming/getting on the 2013 and 2014 Cummins trucks. I've heard they are way better than they were a couple years ago, when they were getting 12.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby The_Head » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:49 pm

I don't know. I figured I would have to do the DPF delete to get decent mileage out of one. I assumed it would get better mileage than a gasser anyways.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:56 pm

No deletes available for the 2013 and newer trucks.... just an fyi.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby AHineman » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:05 pm

I thought you could still get deletes for everything (Duramax/Powerjoke) but the 2013 and up Cummins, even though the EPA is breaking it off in everyone.

Head, I meant GMC/Dodge diesels are about the same price if you shop around.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:08 pm

I was talking specifically about the Dodge trucks.

I've also heard that there isn't the need to delete them either. They are supposedly doing just fine and one can still do mods.... just have to do it differently.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby The_Head » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:33 pm

I'm not going to touch a truck that's under warranty.

FWIW, hate to quote my brother again, but for a long time he saw no need to do anything to his '11 Duramax. He pulled 14,000 up and over a 9,600 ft pass here and he just left it at 65 mph and a way it went. I do remember when he got his '08 Dodge and he had a programmer on it, on a low setting (he still had stock clutch), and the thing pulled very very well. I don't think I would need to modify a newer truck for at least a few years.

The truck I want doesn't have to tow all that great because it won't be doing it that much. That is why I am considering gasser.
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Re: I'm really considering a new truck...

Postby DMan1198 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:18 pm

I managed a best of like 16.5 mpg with my 4th gen undeleted. With winter that same trip netted 14mpg. Now deleted I haven't been able to get an accurate reading because a) I haven't been able to run a brimmed to brimmed tank and b) I run on the second hottest tune all the time (that puts out more fuel than the Vgt can keep up with) and it's fun to play around with that power (still doesn't feel like it pulls as hard as my 1st gen for some reason though) but even messing about it's getting between 16 and 19 at speeds that aren't conducive to mileage
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