Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:02 pm

Ok, I haven't priced a new one since about 2007. Which at that point they were dropping that much.

Maybe I should re phrase it to what they depreciate in the first few years. But I'm also talking about the mega cab style of trucks.... which is what I would get.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:04 pm

DodgeFreak wrote:
RCCUMMINS89 wrote:my engine is screaming for mercy on a daily basis...... yea.....so add those up. :roll: That is $4,000-$10,000 just depending on how I go about it.


Would you have those problems running a closer to stock engine???



Not as soon, no. I would also be able to get more life out of them. But keep in mind that my engine and case have around 300k on them. But again though.....once I "get around to it" those items would be good for a long long long time again too.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby DMan1198 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:26 pm

I like my 4th gen. I really do, but it's really missing something that the first gen has (might be character, not sure though) there are a few things that need to be done for the truck to be really fun to drive (which are stupid expensive now) I could show you the software I can use to tune mine. It's really cool, but at the same time lacking a real hands on feel.

On The Roo Hunter I've done the brakes twice (the second time just the front because I warped both discs from foolishness) redid all the bearings in the front the first time then just repacked the second time. Replaced 2 front driveshafts due to the lift (the second time it actually blew up and beat the exhaust up. A little after that my 280,000 kilometer getrag dropped its countershaft so that got rebuilt. Replace the lp once because it was leaking, then killed the replacement by feeding it close to 15psi of fuel pressure. Now I'm not sure if I killed the ip because of that, but the engines coming out for its rebuilt and pump swap. Other than that it's just been regular maintenance and it hadn't skipped a beat until I messed with the lp.

So far I've sunk about 3k into my 4th gen (lights, bulbs, lift, exhaust, programmer (that last one cost over 2k itself)) I like it much better now, but it's still an auto and weighs like 3000 pounds more than The Roo Hunter. At the same time I really wouldn't want anything other than the 2 gens of trucks I have
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby The_Head » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:55 pm

I looked at the weights the other day. A RC LB 4WD 4th gen is about 1000 lbs heavier than my truck (RC, LB, 4WD). I thought it was interesting.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby Tacoclaw » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:55 am

I'm surprised it's not more than that, my cousin's 24v 2ndgen weighed 7200lbs and it was a longbed single cab. My truck barely tips 6k with all the crap I've added to it.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby CumminsPower59 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:15 am

The reasons I own a first gen:
1. Just about everything on it I can repair or rebuild.
2. Insurance costs me $20 a month.
3. No payments (I hate debt with a passion).
4. If it craps out on the side of the road, I can usually get it going with basic tools.
5. It gets looks everywhere I go :mrgreen:
6. In a pinch, I can roll start it.
7. I more or less rebuilt the thing in my driveway last spring, and spent less than $9k in doing so.
8. Solid drivetrain components, i.e., serviceable wheel bearings, kingpins instead of ball joints, simple leaf spring suspension, etc.

I really wish I had the resources to give my pile a proper rebuild, but I used what I had and it came out ok. It's far from perfect, but it does go down the road well.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby DodgeFreak » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:00 am

So far I haven't had near the problems with my 1st gen as my cousins vp cummins.....his has mainly been electrical, and one trans.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:48 pm

CumminsPower59 wrote:The reasons I own a first gen:
1. Just about everything on it I can repair or rebuild.
2. Insurance costs me $20 a month.
3. No payments (I hate debt with a passion).
4. If it craps out on the side of the road, I can usually get it going with basic tools.
5. It gets looks everywhere I go :mrgreen:
6. In a pinch, I can roll start it.
7. I more or less rebuilt the thing in my driveway last spring, and spent less than $9k in doing so.
8. Solid drivetrain components, i.e., serviceable wheel bearings, kingpins instead of ball joints, simple leaf spring suspension, etc.

I really wish I had the resources to give my pile a proper rebuild, but I used what I had and it came out ok. It's far from perfect, but it does go down the road well.






^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^ X2
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby The_Head » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:01 pm

RCCUMMINS89 wrote:In many ways I feel the 5.9 Common Rail truck with a 6 speed to be the "best truck that dodge ever built". I get asked almost on a daily basis by customers why don't I own a newer truck.

As I've stated on this forum many times.. "I use my truck in the mountains and to trap a very large percentage of its life". I'm going to give some examples on actually how hard on vehicles our mountain roads are.

My brother-in-law has an early 2004 6 speed CR. He has owned it for 5 years and has ONLY put on 36k miles on it during that time.

He is on his 3rd set of tires......3rd set of ball joints..... tie rod ends, and associated steering components, 3 times. Every time I ride in his truck, I strictly envy him on how nice it rides and the smooth power it produces (bone stock truck). Not even to mention the phenomenal fuel economy it gets (well over 20mpg average). But they just CAN'T handle the constant ruts and gnarly rocky mountain roads with the front end.


So I was wondering, In your opinion, if you keep the 3rd gens off the rough roads, will their components last? I was curious, because I never drive my truck on crappy roads. Gravel once in awhile, that's about it.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby Tacoclaw » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:24 pm

My old man has an 04 4-door longbed, we've done the brakes, bearings, and balljoints once and put the updated trackbar stuff on it under warranty even though it wasn't worn out.

Truck has just over 150k miles, and it hasn't been babied. Been through 3 sets of tires counting the stockers.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:29 pm

The CR that I owned...2003 quad cab, short box, 6 speed...high output. Bought it with 30k? miles.... sold it at around 100k+ (not much over).

I never had to replace 1 single thing on that truck.... including the brakes. It had 4 way discs. It drove every bit as good and tight as it did when I bought it. For modifications it had edge performance box and 90hp nozzles....stock turbo. The truck would do 0-60 in under 6 seconds.... wait for it.... pulling my 3500# boat.

Now, keep in mind that I was 23 years old when I owned that truck. I've personally hit a ditch side ways at over 100mph with it and put it on 2 wheels.... without breaking a thing. The trucks are INCREDIBLY strong..... it's just the constant jerk, pull, jerk, pull that mountain roads do to them that wear out all of the steering and ball joint components.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby The_Head » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:47 pm

RCCUMMINS89 wrote:Now, keep in mind that I was 23 years old when I owned that truck. I've personally hit a ditch side ways at over 100mph with it and put it on 2 wheels.... without breaking a thing. The trucks are INCREDIBLY strong..... it's just the constant jerk, pull, jerk, pull that mountain roads do to them that wear out all of the steering and ball joint components.


So can I deduce that, if you didn't drive on mountain roads, you would still have a 3rd gen?
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:54 pm

If I didn't use my truck for what I do.... without a doubt, I would still own a 3rd gen. However, I may try a 4th gen at some point in the future.

1st gen's can just take more abuse and still drive. They never drive awesome, but they always drive down the road.



It's not that I own a 1st gen just because I take my truck off road (not 4 wheeling though) and a 3rd gen wouldn't be able to do it.... it's the fact that my truck sees well over 25k miles a year off the pavement. And we're not talking like back in the Midwest 2 tracks... mountain roads that get neglected (feds don't pay for the national forest roads to be fixed anymore) have 10 ply tire slashing abilities and washboard that will rattle your dash off... non stop.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby The_Head » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:59 pm

I think I would hate having to deal with a stealership when it came to warranty issues. Our local stealership is a little shady.
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Re: Reasons I own a 1st gen (I consider my RC a 1st gen)

Postby BC847 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:18 pm

This CAN-BUS crap on the new mess is another reason I like my heap.

One of the daughters called the other day broken down at the local gas-pump. Starter would not do anything. - Long story short: The damned computer is disallowing the engine to start due to an apparent issue it's detected . . . . somewhere. The "sauce for the goose" is that it's an intermittent thing (it's occurred perhaps three times over the last four or so weeks). Everything works just fine unloading it from the Roll-back in the dealer's yard. They've already replaced the computer. $700 for no fix. :roll:


Meanwhile, here at the house . . . . I've just replaced ALL the tail-light, turn-signal, and side-marker assemblies of the heap with some replicas from Rock-Auto. After 20 years in the Sun, the tail-light's RED had faded to a DARK-PINK. The turn signal's lenses were cracking like shattered glass. The side markers were a MILKY-ORANGE. I think I've got right at $140 in all of it.

See how much of a late-model head-lamp assembly you can get with $140. :lol:
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