police and probable cause

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police and probable cause

Postby hoghead » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:56 pm

If I were riding with someone and they get pulled over and the cop asks for my ID do I have to give it to him because I am not the one being pulled over ,but if I refuse isnt that give them probable cause to make me give them my ID. I am not trying to give police a hard time because i respect what they do and I always comply because I have nothing to hide so it doesnt matter. it is just always seemed like your darned if you do and darned if you dont with that situation.
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Postby Greenleaf » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:43 am

This sounds like a question. if so, I'll ask a friend of mine that is a local (city) officer.

PS, he also wants a Dodge/Cummins :wink:
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Postby wannadiesel » Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:45 am

What do you have to lose by showing ID? Unless you have outstanding warrants or are a fugitive...

Anyway, if you refuse to show ID or say you don't have it on you, they are going to ask you your name. If you refuse or give them an alias, it's just going downhill from there.

I think it's simpler just to comply with the officer.
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Postby hoghead » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:52 pm

I agree fully that you should do what they ask, but I just wondered. It must be like a chinese riddle no one really knows the right or wrong answer.
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Postby JLeonard » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:35 am

no one really knows the right or wrong answer.


Well we know that refusing is the wrong answer...like Wanna said it will all go downhill after that.
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Postby TugboatPhil » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:37 am

My favorite from Jeff Foxworthy:

If your mother leaves the Marlboro dangling from her lips, as she tells the State Trooper to kiss her a**....you might be a redneck.

And from his stand up, talking about his dad driving after a few:

State Trooper, "No Mr. Foxworthy, the State of Georgia does NOT prohibit you from pulling a boat behind your truck. We do, however, require that you put it on a trailer....and would you please tell your friends to get out of the boat."

Sorry to throw this off topic. :wink:
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Postby dodgeracerss » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:00 pm

my friend got pulled over and the cop asked me for my id and i told him u didnt pull me over u pulled him over and the cop left it there and we have some of the worst cops ever......... and if its not me getting pulled over i sont show it they can go to hell :lol: :lol:
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Postby Cschafer » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:59 pm

I got pulled over once because of my drunk buddy hanging out the window. Well he said it was for a licence plate light out but the first thing he asked was if we had been drinking and then remembered to tell me why he was stopping us. I was fine but, no questions asked he told the other two to get out of the truck and give them there ID's. Since they were under 21 they gave them field tests then made them blow and then issued MIP's. There wasnt a choice in the matter I don't believe. If he didn't have to give them his licence there would of been no reason to suspect a problem. Unless it is illegal to be drunk in a DD's vehicle. He didn't even make me get out of the truck? Kinda wierd I guess. The worst thing was we were litterally accross the street from his house. When the cop asked my buddy were he lived he pointed across the street :roll: .
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Postby dpuckett » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:39 am

Guess there are some advantages of being the underage DD. Usually, when I am in someone else's vehicle, my ID isnt on me (keep it in my console so I dont lose it), so I ugess I'd be screwed if some cop got a case of the a**.

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Postby unclemarc » Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:39 pm

Asked my friend who's a phoenix officer,she says you don't have to give them anything.They are just fishing for people with warrants and such. marc
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Postby Begle1 » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:51 pm

hoghead wrote:I agree fully that you should do what they ask, but I just wondered. It must be like a chinese riddle no one really knows the right or wrong answer.


The right answer when dealing with da fuzz:
The side with the better lawyer is right.

But, during a traffic stop, if a cop does something stupid that is found to be illegal, he might get an angry letter from his supervisor. If you do something that is found to be illegal, you go to jail or are fined.
So I tend to comply with cops.

The cops stopped me at a check point the other night, around 11:00 at night. First I was in a line of traffic for 45 minutes, but then they wave me to the side as I drive by. I don't drink, so I don't mind making them think I do to waste their time.

Shining the maglight into my eyes like they always do.
"Where've you been?"
"American Legion." (I cook dinner there once a month, and it was my night.)
"Been drinking?"
"No shir..." (Slurred a little bit on purpose...)
At this time the cop's buddies comes to the window carrying four empty beer cans he grabbed from my bed.
"These yours?"
"Nope, never seen them before." (Totally true; I'm always finding garbage in my truck, and I was just parked in front of a couple bars for 6 hours.)
"Slowly get out of the car, sir."
An hour of sobriety tests later I was free to go. :roll:


The best was one night I was driving through town and I had to use the bathroom. First of all, tickets for public urination run in the family; my dad has a couple, and a few of my uncles have them to. But it was nearly midnight, I have to pee, so I pull into this 4 acre dirt parking lot, do ONE donut (how can you resist in the middle of a dirt parking lot at midnight?) and start relieving myself facing away from the road.
Then along comes Mr. Fife. I'm standing there and my back gets hit by a spotlight. "Oh great, here's another public urination ticket."
Turn around and the cops there already shining his maglight into the back of my head.
"Doin' donuts, son?"
"I did A donut," as I'm squinting into the light.
"On drugs?"
Oh yeah, I'm gonna respond positively to that one. "No."
That one actually believed me and he just told me not to do any more donuts.
Of course, then I looked realized that I left my fly down, so maybe that's why he thought I was on drugs and left so quickly after I said "No".
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Postby charbles » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:24 pm

It depends on local laws. I think most places, you have to show ID if asked by a "peace officer", but they can't search anything without consent or a lawyer.
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