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Postby mhuppertz » Sun May 11, 2008 5:13 pm

I have been unplugging the alternator plug every night to keep the battery from draining. When I plug it in the next day the A/C clutch engages right away with a loud 'click'. I have run the wires but I can't find any abraided areas. I haven't replaced the alternator yet because I have the sick feeling it is something else.
I'm starting to think that there are just mutliple issues giving confusing and conflicting symtoms. It's possible the alternator has an issue that is feeding power back into the PCM and making it do weird things.
Anyone have any ideas???
Thanks,
Mark
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Postby moab4x4 » Mon May 12, 2008 12:03 am

I know this sounds dumb, but is there anything else powered on when the truck is off, heater blower, radio, etc? I almost sounds like the ACCY circuit is not shutting off when the IGN does. I'm not looking at my FSM, just shooting from the hip on this one. Ignition switch comes to mind. On the other hand, I would have looked where you did for a short on the ALt Batt lead to the AC clutch lead.

I had one like this that drove me mad until I installed a high current relay on the line to the alternator and switched it with the IGN. Kinda jury-rigged, but it worked.
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Postby Philip » Mon May 12, 2008 4:35 am

There are two plugs two plugs to the alt which one are you unhooking?
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Postby mhuppertz » Mon May 12, 2008 6:20 am

Philip wrote:There are two plugs two plugs to the alt which one are you unhooking?


It's the one laying on the fenderwell liner, passenger side very close to the alternator. It's the only plug I know of for the alternator.
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Postby mhuppertz » Mon May 12, 2008 6:22 am

moab4x4 wrote:I know this sounds dumb, but is there anything else powered on when the truck is off, heater blower, radio, etc? I almost sounds like the ACCY circuit is not shutting off when the IGN does. I'm not looking at my FSM, just shooting from the hip on this one. Ignition switch comes to mind. On the other hand, I would have looked where you did for a short on the ALt Batt lead to the AC clutch lead.

I had one like this that drove me mad until I installed a high current relay on the line to the alternator and switched it with the IGN. Kinda jury-rigged, but it worked.


I have thought about the relay thing also. I hate to do that because I really want to know what is going on.
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Postby Philip » Mon May 12, 2008 2:29 pm

Ok I went threw my charging and speed control manual. The only place I can see where the A/C and alt come togeter is the ASD relay. But it is in the off state with the key off. That means the alt is back feeding power threw the ASD relay circuit. That is the only way the A/C clutch would come on.

Relace the alt.
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Postby PToombs » Mon May 12, 2008 3:55 pm

Unless the ASD relay is bad, or still getting activater power from someplace. I'd double check the relay for power, just in case.
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Postby mhuppertz » Mon May 12, 2008 7:13 pm

Well, I swapped the ASD and the A/C relays and the compressor clutch clicked off, and the voltage stabilized. The real test would be to start the truck and run the air, then turn it off to see if the clutch stayed energized.
Oh, it will, I guarantee it!
Interestingly, I unplugged the ASD relay first and nothing happened....
The plot thickens.
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