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Stock Deep Pan?

Postby Diesel » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:47 pm

Is there a stock Dodge/Jeep trans pan that I could run that would be deeper than my stock a518?
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby cmann250 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:01 pm

I've been told that the 47RH has a deeper pan by a transmission manual and txs. I don't remember from personal expirence though
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby ellis93 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:47 am

^^ what he said,you'll have to use a filter from the same Trans tho. It's no big deal tho,its a plastic filter that is extended down to reach the bottom of the deeper pan
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby DodgeFreak » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:27 pm

you don't have to use the newer filter and i wouldn't because its going to suck the same amount of fluid as before but if its up higher it won't suck as much junk.....we're running a b&m pan and i've used the filter extender and with out and there is no difference....just as to where it places the filter, you still fill it to the same level as before.
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby dunes450r » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:32 pm

http://www.amazon.com/Derale-14210-Tran ... B004XONSYE

this is the pan that i had. worked great, lowered temps, increased capacity, and was relatively cheap compared to a mag hytec or the like
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby ellis93 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:14 pm

DodgeFreak wrote:you don't have to use the newer filter and i wouldn't because its going to suck the same amount of fluid as before but if its up higher it won't suck as much junk.....we're running a b&m pan and i've used the filter extender and with out and there is no difference....just as to where it places the filter, you still fill it to the same level as before.

Not saying that you would but under hard cornering or extreme take off you could cause the pump to loose prime,from there Al sorts of nasty stuff can happen from there. Time will tell
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby Diesel » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:38 pm

dunes450r wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Derale-14210-Transmission-Cooling-Dodge/dp/B004XONSYE

this is the pan that i had. worked great, lowered temps, increased capacity, and was relatively cheap compared to a mag hytec or the like


I would buy that pan outright if they would set aside their gimmick marketing scheme. I just can't bear to have a deep transmission pan with tubes running through the pan...and the tubes have spirals in them to spin the air...

I'd sooner install a tornado air management system and a KN dirt injection filter...

So this is why I would rather get a slightly deeper stock pan. Too bad it has to be a 47RH - something off of a gas Dodge or V8 ZJ grand cherokee won't work? The ZJ's had 46RH, 44RE, and some had 46RE(rare). My local boneyard has tons of those but will they fit/be deeper?
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby cmann250 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:48 am

47RHs were put in V10 pick-ups too. You'd have to measure other pans. I wouldn't be supprised if there was something out there.
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby DodgeFreak » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:09 am

ellis93 wrote:Not saying that you would but under hard cornering or extreme take off you could cause the pump to loose prime,from there Al sorts of nasty stuff can happen from there. Time will tell


I don't see how you could because the fluid sits above pan line and the filter sits 2-3" below that....you would have to have a 3" drop in fluid level. maybe my memory isn't to good and the filter is closer to the fluid line than i think....

and as far as pans that fit, 727,46rh, 46re, 47rh, 47re, and 48res are the same, As long as it has the kickout by the dipstick tube it should work. Just don't get one off the A500s and 904 square pan because they obviously won't fit.
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby dunes450r » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:26 am

Diesel wrote:
dunes450r wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Derale-14210-Transmission-Cooling-Dodge/dp/B004XONSYE

this is the pan that i had. worked great, lowered temps, increased capacity, and was relatively cheap compared to a mag hytec or the like


I would buy that pan outright if they would set aside their gimmick marketing scheme. I just can't bear to have a deep transmission pan with tubes running through the pan...and the tubes have spirals in them to spin the air...

I'd sooner install a tornado air management system and a KN dirt injection filter...


its not really a gimmick......but whatever. its the same idea as a finned pan, and it did cool my trans temps. your loss.

and if your smart enough to oil a k&n regularly and don't drive roads with 3" of dust everyday, they work well also.

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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby Diesel » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:01 pm

dunes450r wrote:
Diesel wrote:
dunes450r wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Derale-14210-Transmission-Cooling-Dodge/dp/B004XONSYE

this is the pan that i had. worked great, lowered temps, increased capacity, and was relatively cheap compared to a mag hytec or the like


I would buy that pan outright if they would set aside their gimmick marketing scheme. I just can't bear to have a deep transmission pan with tubes running through the pan...and the tubes have spirals in them to spin the air...

I'd sooner install a tornado air management system and a KN dirt injection filter...


its not really a gimmick......but whatever. its the same idea as a finned pan, and it did cool my trans temps. your loss.

and if your smart enough to oil a k&n regularly and don't drive roads with 3" of dust everyday, they work well also.

ignorance is bliss



Did the super swirly tubes cool the fluid or the extra volume of fluid?

Lets not even digress to K&N dirt injection systems...
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby dunes450r » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:57 am

a larger volume of fluid won't cool anything, it will just take longer to heat up. and after more than a few 300-400 mile road trips, my trans temps were 15-30* lower than before the deep pan, so yes, it did cool it down a little. don't buy the gimmick though. stick with the stock pan.
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby ellis93 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:38 pm

There's some people needing to tear apart some lawn mower motors and look how they're cooled :lol:
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby DodgeFreak » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:59 am

ellis93 wrote:There's some people needing to tear apart some lawn mower motors and look how they're cooled :lol:


Air cooled or liquid lol :lol: ....j\k
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Re: Stock Deep Pan?

Postby ellis93 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:09 am

DodgeFreak wrote:
ellis93 wrote:There's some people needing to tear apart some lawn mower motors and look how they're cooled :lol:


Air cooled or liquid lol :lol: ....j\k


Air.....big aluminum fins :lol:
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