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larger injectors ?

Postby BC847 » Wed May 06, 2009 7:11 pm

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Would there be any reason to back off anything (fuel screw, injection event timing, etc) with going to larger injectors? :scratch:
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Postby peobryant » Wed May 06, 2009 7:45 pm

For just daily driving I think you would be okay leaving the pump like it is. If you tow heavy though, you would probably need to back out the fuel screw a little bit.


What injectors are you planning to go with?
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Postby BC847 » Wed May 06, 2009 7:53 pm

I'm replacing the DDP4s with some Scheid 6x16 EDMs. No towing, just playing. :)
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Postby peobryant » Wed May 06, 2009 8:02 pm

You might want to play with the timing a little bit after you install the 6X.016's, but the fuel screw will be fine right where it is.

What turbo are you running?
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Postby BC847 » Thu May 07, 2009 4:48 am

'91 Cummins wrote:What turbo are you running?

HT3B / HX35 hybrid.
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Postby cummins king » Thu May 07, 2009 6:06 am

Hey not to remo on you but if your going to ask questions like that maybe you should fill out ur sig.

Is your head ported and pollished, and oringed, what tranny do you have, what pump mopds do you have

If its fully biult truck then no there is no reason to turn it down
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Postby BC847 » Thu May 07, 2009 7:03 am

cummins king wrote:Hey not to remo on you but if your going to ask questions like that maybe you should fill out ur sig.

Is your head ported and pollished, and oringed, what tranny do you have, what pump mopds do you have

If its fully biult truck then no there is no reason to turn it down


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Postby Farmboy » Thu May 07, 2009 8:22 am

Not to high-jack the thread but some more info on the rear disk brake conversion would be cool. Maybe a new thread would be in order.
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Postby SChandler » Thu May 07, 2009 8:43 am

Any body else see something missing in BC's build? I didn't see a kitchen sink mentioned. :lol:

I think the typical recommendation for bigger injectors is to increase timing some. Bigger injectors tend to like more timing, rather than less. Scheid's didn't have any recommendations for timing? Also, I think you want to back out the fuel screw a turn or two (to start with) just to avoid a potential runaway condition, since the new injectors change the fueling relationship between the injection pump and the engine. Otherwise, I don't think there is any reason to turn the pump settings down.
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Postby cummins king » Thu May 07, 2009 9:47 am

haha ya when you do all this kind of stuff the list adds up, all post my list after my dyno

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Postby BC847 » Thu May 07, 2009 2:05 pm

The injection pump is pretty-much to the head. Based on the last time I stuck the micrometer in there, the injection event timing should be around 2.6mm lift or more. Stock was 1.4mm lift. If I want/need more, I'll need to advance the IP drive gear a tooth.

The voices in my head suggest there's no reason to back things off. But then there's that fella in the back that's always bitch'in about something . . . . :roll:



@ Farmboy, see here ~ http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/ ... p?t=146673
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Postby Richie O » Thu May 07, 2009 6:43 pm

How many people tried to get the bug off the screen from the first post?? Looks like a blackfly. :lol:
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