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How to make it go fast

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Postby Richie O » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:36 am

I never had any marbles to lose. :oops: :oops:
1989 W250 727, 3.07 L/S, S300, P/S Intercooler, Stans exaust, Pump adjustments, 127k miles,297 hp
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Postby JQmile » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:09 pm

We had a diesel math section that explained HP and TQ in one of the last issues, didn't you guys read that one?? :D

And as for me doing a burnout, due to liability reasons, it wasn't me, I hired a "pro driver" LOL.

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Postby RSWORDS » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:17 pm

JQmile wrote:We had a diesel math section that explained HP and TQ in one of the last issues, didn't you guys read that one?? :D

And as for me doing a burnout, due to liability reasons, it wasn't me, I hired a "pro driver" LOL.

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Of coarse you did... and it was on a closed coures also right?
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Postby JQmile » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:15 pm

RSWORDS wrote:
JQmile wrote:We had a diesel math section that explained HP and TQ in one of the last issues, didn't you guys read that one?? :D

And as for me doing a burnout, due to liability reasons, it wasn't me, I hired a "pro driver" LOL.

Jason


Of coarse you did... and it was on a closed coures also right?


Yup, we also had a fire truck and a team of lawyers standing right there LOL
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Postby pulltilbroke » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:41 pm

What, No ambulance??? :shock: :shock: :lol:
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Postby SChandler » Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:28 pm

JQMile, what are the plans this year for the truck? I saw in the March issue that you were planning on putting the 14mm head on the pump, do you have an ETA on that? Any other plans for the truck like head work or different turbo or intercooler?
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Postby JQmile » Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:08 pm

Still collecting parts. Still going to stick with the stock turbo for now, trying to see how far a 60mm will go. Going to go with a 14mm h/r and some other "stuff" soon, hopefully in the next few months.
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Postby JQmile » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:30 pm

Poor truck's just been sitting.....might be getting a gear vendors soon though, hello full quarter mile passes! Hoping to get 30mpg too. Got a deal on a used GV and I am hoping I can send it in to be fixed (bad electronics). Other mods are still sitting on my desk at work :roll:
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Postby JQmile » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:43 pm

Well, just got back from the dyno, and it seems like I now have multiple problems. With a stock turbo and DDP4 injectors, I made 301 rwhp. With a HTT 60mm upgrade, 6x16s, and a lift pump I made ......ready? 281 rwhp, a loss of 20hp. Here's the weird part--boost went from 32psi to 48psi, and EGTs from 1200 to 1500--yet still no more power.

My guesses to why I sucked on the dyno include an insane amount of drive pressure that's sapping my power, and stock timing--I heard you have to run a lot of timing with these big injectors, maybe here's the proof. It smokes like a train, so I know I'm getting more fuel. going to install a wastegate and bump the timing to the head and then see what happens. After that will be a "real" turbo. As always, feel free to chime in with advice and wild theories :D

PS-anybody actually buy that Cummins injection pump tool to advance the pump? or is everybody just bending wrenches?
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Postby Richie O » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:18 pm

I bent my own wrench. I have the 60 gds and 6x16's on my 93 and it has pretty good power. I also have the stock crushed up exhaust pipe and stock muffler. I am at a loss why your power went down. My timming on that truck is also stock. I don't like the sound of my 89 with bumped timing so I left the 93 alone.
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1992 W250 with NV4500, 3.54's, 16cm 60mm GDS H1C, ground stock cone, Isspro tach, pryo, boost, fuel pressure, slow, rusty, dented,180k
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Postby soggy » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:27 pm

I bought a ratcheting s-wrench from lowes, hope you get it figured out I want you to beat that 6.4 :)
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Postby gear jammer 91" » Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:12 pm

I got a set of "half moon" wrenches, that are shaped just like they sound, for like $20 at the local tool supply store. They work perfectly. Advance that timing and pull the wire off of the ksb solenoid. That should allow you to be able to burn all that fuel. Are you still running the stock down pipe?
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Postby bgilbert » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:45 pm

Loss of 20hp? Was this the same dyno where you did the 301hp? That could help answer some questions. Either way all you gained with the boost gain and injector increase was alot more hot air, no power. INTERCOOLER TIME!!!!
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Postby SChandler » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:40 pm

JQmile wrote:Well, just got back from the dyno, and it seems like I now have multiple problems. With a stock turbo and DDP4 injectors, I made 301 rwhp. With a HTT 60mm upgrade, 6x16s, and a lift pump I made ......ready? 281 rwhp, a loss of 20hp. Here's the weird part--boost went from 32psi to 48psi, and EGTs from 1200 to 1500--yet still no more power.


I've got two words for you: TUR BO. Even with the 60mm wheel, you are way out of the map for the turbo and as Bill said, you're pushing nothing but hot air into the motor. Hot air is not good. An intercooler and a bigger turbo would go a long way to better power numbers I'm guessing. Or a liquid form of cooling like water/meth or nitrous. But you're still going to be outside the map for the turbo. I don't think a wastegated housing on that turbo is going to help any other than as an educational experience for the readers of your magazine.

I bought the Snap On timing wrench. It works great.
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Postby JQmile » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:44 pm

I guess we're going to see what happens when I lose 30+psi of drive pressure and get the turbo back in its range :D Don't worry I'm going to do a bunch of stuff after this also, I just want to see if the wastegate makes a difference by itself. Oh and how's this for cheap? A stock manifold and mini hood stack 8) Now I can have smoke coming out from two different places on the truck!
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