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Injector size to Pump output

Postby 93flatbed » Tue May 28, 2013 7:51 pm

I may have over looked it on all of the different sites but I'd like to know if there is some sort of rough chart for injector size and pump out put? I searched all of the sites/forums and found nothing really. I'm talking a real chart not Bob/Joe down in the depts of the hollar what they think is needed. (sorry anyone named that or lives there.)

Thoughts, suggestions, pound sand and just get the normal with out any research?
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Tue May 28, 2013 8:30 pm

If you can get a hold of KTA...... I'm pretty sure he did it once.
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby 93flatbed » Tue May 28, 2013 8:41 pm

I found some pee pump stuff, more or less guys giving what they think their pump has and what size injectors they have and how many horse powers they made on the dyno or ran in 0.25 of a mile. But not sure that crosses to us given our lack of RPM compared to them?

Primary is sitting in the barn, pump is done, injectors need to be ordered. I'm finding so much different information I'm a bit lost. I hate to be the guy who does this, please believe me its not what size pods I should run like we see on so many other sites.
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Tue May 28, 2013 9:24 pm

Did your pump builder give you any ideas on what size sticks?
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby turboram » Wed May 29, 2013 5:02 pm

Tell me what flow at what rpm and I built a calculator that will give a close nozzle size
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Wed May 29, 2013 5:28 pm

I've used my learned knowledge....... and tested Turboram's calculator by when we've talked....... his calculator is very darn close........ only thing that might throw it off is when comparing extrude honed nozzles to regular nozzles...... because the cc to lpm flow changes between the two.
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby turboram » Wed May 29, 2013 7:58 pm

Flow honed injectors just need an imput changed and it changes end flow number by around 20% in my calc
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Wed May 29, 2013 8:12 pm

LOL..... yep you're dead on the nuts.

From most calculations an extrude honed nozzle flows 15-20% more fuel in the same lpm than a straight edm'd nozzle.
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby 93flatbed » Fri May 31, 2013 7:16 pm

5x0.018-5x0.022", is what he recommended. He said I can run as big as I wish to though as the pump has the output for what ever I want to try.

Said all in what I want to do. You mind putting up the equation for me?
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby dazedandconfused » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:43 am

Did he not give you a break down on what the pump glows at certain RPMs?
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:30 am

93flatbed wrote:5x0.018-5x0.022", is what he recommended. He said I can run as big as I wish to though as the pump has the output for what ever I want to try.

Said all in what I want to do. You mind putting up the equation for me?



IMO it boils down to the fact that it becomes a point that it is impossible to burn the fuel from an injector at a certain point (unless of course you nitrous). It simply takes too long to burn that "raw" of fuel.

It simply causes a situation that blows black and produces less power. The idea of he saying use whatever, the pump can handle it............is about as mis leading of a statement that one can make. That in itself is a straight up BS statement because it literally means jack.

I'm not trying to sound rude or anything like that..... I just don't know how else to say it.

If the pump has that much of a fuel output, then you are better off going with a smaller injector...........it'll be cleaner and make more power with less timing.
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby 93flatbed » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:20 pm

What I wrote and what he said were different. I didn't write out the long conversation.

I'll drop the subject and apologize for bringing it up. I will attemp to contact Nick through a mutal friend.

Thanks Gents.
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Re: Injector size to Pump output

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:20 pm

?

Didn't mean to upset you.
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