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Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:12 pm

Well... my existing manifold has been throwing in the towel (at least so it seems).

So I decided on getting a new one. The voices in my head say that the "stainless steel" manifolds retain heat longer (by a lot) and therefore will act like adding a manifold blanket, but without spending the money on a manifold blanket :lol:


I decided on this one:
http://afepower.com/shop/details_new.ph ... brandID=75 (I'd post the one on the site, but I don't feel that goes with forum rules) ;)


What are y'alls thoughts on the cast vs steel (3-pc vs 1-pc).......I'll post results when it finally gets put on.
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Re: New parts

Postby Tacoclaw » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:23 pm

A manifold blanket is only like $100 bucks, and it's worth every penny. I drove my truck to the pit tonight, popped the hood, and laid my arm on the turbine housing (which also has a blanket) and started pulling the heater core. Dunno about the performance gains from heat retention, but they make any underhood chore a completely different animal. I'll buy one for anything I own from now on.
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Re: New parts

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:54 pm

Manifold blankets definitely have their advantage, don't get me wrong on that.
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Re: New parts

Postby BC847 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:07 pm

It seems to me the whole point of the 3-piece vs the 1-piece was that the thermally induced expansion of the manifold (proper), was such that it didn't match that of the head, and resulted in broken flanges and such. Doesn't the stock/OEM manifold have elongated bolt-holes in the flanges as an attempt to accommodate the expansion?

I also think the metallurgy alloys used to make the new 1-piece manifolds have greatly diminished the issue. Perhaps in better matching the expansion characteristics of the thing. I dunno. We'll eventually know from those who go that route.

I've been running an ATS 3-piece for the last five or so years (I think, maybe longer).

As far as heat control, I've always run the ceramic coatings. A so-called thermally reflective ceramic coating on the inside of the hot-plumbing so as to keep the heat in the exhaust gasses in the first place. Then there's the low thermal emissivity ceramic coating on the exterior of the hot-plumbing so as to help keep the heat in the iron (thus helping keep the gases hot). My compressor housings are coated with a high thermal emissivity material to better shed the heat of compression. (Looks like black paint to me. :? )

It seems to me though, that with the thick heavy castings of the assembly, that the benefits of the insulation blankets/coatings doesn't really do anything for us in short-lived WOT bursts ref: Drag-Racing for example. My thinking is it takes time for the heavy castings to saturate with the heat and wouldn't loose a lot in the short run.

- Thin-wall manifolds would be the glaring exception to the above. There, the insulation would be VERY helpful in keeping the heat in, in the short-run.

That being said, the insulation still helps a little in the long-run as an improvement in overall thermal efficiency of the engine.


So say the voices . . . . or, at least three out of five . . . tonight . . . . . :scratch:
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Re: New parts

Postby Tacoclaw » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:12 pm

I'd just skimp a little in the manifold then, throw a blanket on it and enjoy. I can't imagine you're gonna see too much improvement from a material change. Hell, that's a $650 manifold, just buy a Steedspeed and be done with it. It's only $100 more and it's not just a log manifold. Lifetime warranty, no matter what, and they do seem to help performance.
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Re: New parts

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:45 pm

Keep in mind that I'm not a vendor for Steed ;) CNC vs cast steel??? I'm not sold on one necessary being better in the grand scheme of things.


Now that aside..... Manifolds are in a realm of total guessing and nothing but opinion. Only if there was some hard evidence of true flow :roll: . But again, even if there was, it wouldn't mean anything. Just like turbos.... flow is not everything ;)


Reasons I chose a stainless steel manifold. From "reviews".

1. less cracking issues (yes 3 pc manifolds can still crack)
2. better heat retention
3. no possibility of joint leakage (yes 3 pc. sometimes do leak).
4. SUPPOSEDLY resistant to warpage/shrinking

But then again.... it seems the only folks that have broken the 3 pc. manifolds are all in that 800+hp range again.
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Re: New parts

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:26 pm

Started the process tonight. Didn't get very far as it is really cold outside (and in the shop). Also spent some time adjusting the gate on the 62fmw...and from my primitive air compressor methods have it set to open and what I feel will hold around 48ish...(I'm probably 10 # off though, LOL).

So..... I had a MASSIVE drive pressure leak out of the bottom of the t3 gasket and just as large of one in between the front and back cylinders (it basically wasn't divided, if that makes sense) I expect that alone will make a noticeable difference in spool ability.
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Re: New parts

Postby BC847 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:06 pm

I've found it's a good idea to check/tighten all the bolts on the passenger's side of the engine every six months . . . at the most. Those exhaust manifold bolts of cylinder one and two are the usual suspects. The compressor-housing bolts of the secondary can't keep their act together ether. The last time I checked, I bet I picked-up a pound or so boost. :shock: :oops: :roll:
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Re: New parts

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:04 pm

So......brand new stainless steel exhaust manifold installed.........go for test drive.......have mechanical oil pressure gauge feed line break........lose 4 qts of oil in about 2 minutes onto brand new stainless steel exhaust manifold............Super pissed off. Ok, it's kind of funny... but seriously? WTF?
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Re: New parts

Postby BC847 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:13 pm

I ain't saying nothing (Karma's a bitch).
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Re: New parts

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:27 pm

Yep....it's permanent. :cry:
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Re: New parts

Postby BC847 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:29 pm

What do you mean?
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Re: New parts

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:39 pm

It happened at wot (1200+ not sure exactly), it is severely baked into it. I've tried the usual stuff, but it IS NOT coming off so far.
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Re: New parts

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:44 pm

Ok, let's do reviews.

1. Dumbest install kit I've ever come across. Instead of using short studs, they send you bolts that are 3" longer than they need to be and then give you these "sleeves" to make up the difference. You can't get a thin walled socket over about half of them because the bolt heads literally rub the exhaust manifold until almost fully tightened down. The 2 pre-drilled AND TAPPED (that's a plus) holes for pyrometer/drive gauges are in such an angle that your pyrometer gets shoved into your heater core lines. That took a lot of figuring out and gentle bending to make right.

2. Looks fricken sweet (ok, did)

3. Under the hood seems MUCH quieter, yet more rumbly. Similar change as when you go to headers on a gasser.

4. HOLY TURBO WHISTLE

5. Spool up... meh, not really noticeable.

6. WOT boost down 4 psi, egts down 250 degrees (WOW!!!)

7. Is the truck faster? Not sure.

8. Smoke is down probably 1/3, I feel like I installed a cam. VERY NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE.
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Re: New parts

Postby AHineman » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:46 pm

RCCUMMINS89 wrote:It happened at wot (1200+ not sure exactly), it is severely baked into it. I've tried the usual stuff, but it IS NOT coming off so far.




Just adds character.




Any pics?
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