WG actuator for spool valve?

How to make it go fast

Moderators: Greenleaf, KTA, BC847, Richie O

WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby Remps » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:34 pm

Could a wastegate actuator, say off an hx35, be used to actuate a spool valve? What would be a good and/or cheap actuator to use? Thinking about building my own, got a big chunk of 1" steel here I could make a T3/T4 adapter with a flapper in it. No way am I paying 950 bucks for one. Was thinking about a fmw62/68/.83 T4 with a valve.
'90 D250 R/C,727,IC,6x.009's,1/8" bump,fuel psi,straight pipe w/5" stack.
'90 W250 R/C,47rh,K@N,HX35,1/8" bump,2nd gen IC,boost,egt,trans temp.3.07's.
'96 2500 S/C L/B,2wd,NV5600,3.54 L/S,cai,egt,pacbrake,mbrp exhaust,10 plate.
Bring back the Bank of Canada, PRE- 1974.
User avatar
Remps
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 12:57 am
Location: Saskatchewan

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby fatty » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:11 pm

I think you probably could. Problem is that mild steel doesn't hold its shape very well when exposed to heat/cooling cycles. Then you will end up with exhaust leaks and potentially metal chunks through your turbo.
91.5 w250
fatty
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 802
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:52 pm
Location: Washington

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby Remps » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:30 am

Do you mean the flange or the flapper and hinge? I was thinking stainless for the flapper. An EBay t3/t4 adapter might be an option, or install into the turbine housing volute itself, eliminating the flange. (With a t4 manifold)
'90 D250 R/C,727,IC,6x.009's,1/8" bump,fuel psi,straight pipe w/5" stack.
'90 W250 R/C,47rh,K@N,HX35,1/8" bump,2nd gen IC,boost,egt,trans temp.3.07's.
'96 2500 S/C L/B,2wd,NV5600,3.54 L/S,cai,egt,pacbrake,mbrp exhaust,10 plate.
Bring back the Bank of Canada, PRE- 1974.
User avatar
Remps
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 12:57 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Top

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby fatty » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:28 pm

The flange. Seems like SDX or someone was having issues until they switched to some special kind of steel.
91.5 w250
fatty
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 802
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:52 pm
Location: Washington
Top

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby Remps » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:27 pm

I think the issue with the sdx flange was the bolts or screws holding the flapper to the hinge on the early models. The later ones were welded, or the bolts were welded iirc. That fmw62/68/.83 t4 is tempting at 800 bucks, but it will never spool like a .85 t3 without a spool flange. It would definitely spool faster with a flange, and flow a little more up top.
'90 D250 R/C,727,IC,6x.009's,1/8" bump,fuel psi,straight pipe w/5" stack.
'90 W250 R/C,47rh,K@N,HX35,1/8" bump,2nd gen IC,boost,egt,trans temp.3.07's.
'96 2500 S/C L/B,2wd,NV5600,3.54 L/S,cai,egt,pacbrake,mbrp exhaust,10 plate.
Bring back the Bank of Canada, PRE- 1974.
User avatar
Remps
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 12:57 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Top

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby fatty » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:59 pm

You're probably right about that. If you make one and it works good I'd pay you to make me one.
91.5 w250
fatty
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 802
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:52 pm
Location: Washington
Top

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby Remps » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:52 pm

Well.. I think I just talked a friend into building me a t3/t4 spool valve for the cost of material. Should know in the next few days. :D
'90 D250 R/C,727,IC,6x.009's,1/8" bump,fuel psi,straight pipe w/5" stack.
'90 W250 R/C,47rh,K@N,HX35,1/8" bump,2nd gen IC,boost,egt,trans temp.3.07's.
'96 2500 S/C L/B,2wd,NV5600,3.54 L/S,cai,egt,pacbrake,mbrp exhaust,10 plate.
Bring back the Bank of Canada, PRE- 1974.
User avatar
Remps
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 12:57 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Top

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby Remps » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:29 am

Any thoughts on using 321 stainless? Looks to have better high temp properties than 304.
'90 D250 R/C,727,IC,6x.009's,1/8" bump,fuel psi,straight pipe w/5" stack.
'90 W250 R/C,47rh,K@N,HX35,1/8" bump,2nd gen IC,boost,egt,trans temp.3.07's.
'96 2500 S/C L/B,2wd,NV5600,3.54 L/S,cai,egt,pacbrake,mbrp exhaust,10 plate.
Bring back the Bank of Canada, PRE- 1974.
User avatar
Remps
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 12:57 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Top

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby Remps » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:59 am

Seeing as I have 4 12 valves with 4 ex manifolds, I plan on pulling one of them to experiment with. Going to see about installing an inconel diverter into the exhaust manifold outlet. No idea whether it will be possible or not, can't really say until I am eyeballing it. And if I end up botching it, well, I will have an undivided manifold to use with a regular spool valve. If it does work, I will probably go with a BW T3 turbo later down the road. Meanwhile, maybe an hx35 could make boost at 1k rpm? :lol:
'90 D250 R/C,727,IC,6x.009's,1/8" bump,fuel psi,straight pipe w/5" stack.
'90 W250 R/C,47rh,K@N,HX35,1/8" bump,2nd gen IC,boost,egt,trans temp.3.07's.
'96 2500 S/C L/B,2wd,NV5600,3.54 L/S,cai,egt,pacbrake,mbrp exhaust,10 plate.
Bring back the Bank of Canada, PRE- 1974.
User avatar
Remps
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 12:57 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Top

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby fatty » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:53 pm

If you do get one built and it works good, I want to be first in line to buy one. I like the top of my T4 turbo more than I like a quicker spooling turbo. If I could have both though, then I'd be real happy.
91.5 w250
fatty
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 802
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:52 pm
Location: Washington
Top

Re: WG actuator for spool valve?

Postby Remps » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:05 pm

I am hoping I can build a diverter in place of a section of the divider of the exhaust manifold. Hinge pin would be on the end of the flapper. Ideally would have no leakage between front and rear cylinders in the full open position, and still have true twin scroll capability. Also the hinge pin and flapper aren't disrupting flow (as much) sitting in the middle of the volute. And also a better 40-50 degree flow angle for the rear to front exhaust flow diversion, instead of the back three firing against a closed valve and having to make a 90 degree turn and merge with the front 3's exhaust flow. If it works, a diverter in a T4 manifold would be something to try.
'90 D250 R/C,727,IC,6x.009's,1/8" bump,fuel psi,straight pipe w/5" stack.
'90 W250 R/C,47rh,K@N,HX35,1/8" bump,2nd gen IC,boost,egt,trans temp.3.07's.
'96 2500 S/C L/B,2wd,NV5600,3.54 L/S,cai,egt,pacbrake,mbrp exhaust,10 plate.
Bring back the Bank of Canada, PRE- 1974.
User avatar
Remps
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 12:57 am
Location: Saskatchewan
Top


Return to The good stuff

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests