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Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby spencerdiesel » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:49 pm

So besides the factory filter and box being restrictive (something around 400 cfm if I remember?), does it not do a decent job of drawing cold outside air?

I plan on BHAF w/ some sort of shield, but wouldn't an unshielded filter pull in more hot air than cold? I say this because heat always seeks something cooler, and exh manifold heat radiates all up in that area?
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby BC847 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:57 pm

The stock/OEM air filter box is a 100% cold air intake via a tube (constructed to act as a muffler) under the front of the box and opens into the radiator support. (bottom/right of the following image).

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I've modded mine as such in the past . . . .

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Then went crazy . . . .

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I'm a big proponent of 100% cold air as the air is what ultimately pushes the piston (with heat of combustion added). Cold air is denser air and is the best place to start if you're gonna do forced induction.
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby Remps » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:11 pm

I did a similar mod to one of my factory airboxes with an 8" piece of stovepipe, and cut the hole in the rad support to match up as well. It made a noticeable difference, the factory airbox feed tube is pretty small.
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby spencerdiesel » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:26 pm

Thanks BC and Remps, didn't know the cold air tube looked like that, the images help a lot. So drawing from this, one would preferably draw 100% intake air from outside via tube? A little cool air is a lot better than a lotta hot, makes sense.

In diesel class, I've heard an increase of 1 degree in intake air equaled a 3 degree increase in EGT's. Are ya'll running the standard BHAF?
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby DMan1198 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:13 pm

My plan is to try to fit 6" piping between my primary (my 467 has a race cover, so it's a 5.5" inlet), and the stock box, then modify the signal light for a hellcat style ram air
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby Begle1 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:08 pm

"Hey dawg, nice hot air intake you got there."
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby PToombs » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:17 pm

I should figure out something with mine. The filter is almost against the core support and gets almost no cold air.
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby spencerdiesel » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:43 pm

Poke it through a stack-hole in the hood :lol:
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby PToombs » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:39 pm

Wow. :? That's all I can say. (I already thought of it)

If it wasn't for the rain that would get on the filter I'd put a small scoop on the hood right there.
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:51 pm

My thoughts on the whole thing?

It will make ZERO difference if it is a "hot air" or "cold air" intake.......does anyone have any idea how much air is going through the engine compartment at 60mph? Seriously........no one will ever convince me that it is getting heated up instantly before it goes into the filter by the heat of the engine. Especially when the factory hole is still directly in front of the filter, even when the stuff is removed.
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby spencerdiesel » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:26 pm

Never thought about that part of it
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby PToombs » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:40 pm

Thanks Eric! Now I can do nothing and not feel guilty! Lazy man thanks you! :lol:
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby Begle1 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:36 pm

RCCUMMINS89 wrote:My thoughts on the whole thing?

It will make ZERO difference if it is a "hot air" or "cold air" intake.......does anyone have any idea how much air is going through the engine compartment at 60mph? Seriously........no one will ever convince me that it is getting heated up instantly before it goes into the filter by the heat of the engine. Especially when the factory hole is still directly in front of the filter, even when the stuff is removed.


Intake air sensors tell otherwise in many applications.
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Re: Heat shield yes maybe or no

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:09 pm

How many other applications is the filter directly behind the stock inlet hole? Can't compare it to like the newer trucks where same are right behind the turbo.
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