I remember sayin "I dont need any grid heaters"

[RSWORDS]

That was about the time I was making the new cross over for teh turbo

http://www.dieselbombers.com/show-tell/ ... video.html

How I take that back!

[Richie O]

It started.. I am used to that. My big 3406 cats smoke and buck too. My triaxle will black out the neighborhood when its cold. I have to start it and leave the area or I would surely die.

[cummins king]

Are you a pansy?

Step on the fuel and keep cranking till it starts. Even with no grid heaters or KSB mine will start on first crank

[RSWORDS]

Are you a pansy?

Step on the fuel and keep cranking till it starts. Even with no grid heaters or KSB mine will start on first crank

I'll try that tommorow!

Oh and a tad grumpy today are we?

[cummins king]

Ya sorry, i was up 36 hours plowing, and i dont even know why i went on here instead of going to bed. devotion, i guess, lol

[Richie O]

O those were the days. I used to pull 36 hour shifts in a 7 yard plow truck. It did have power steering but was a standard. The old clutch leg got pretty tired. After a while you just turn into a robot and your eyes look like this

[cummins king]

ya that's it,

[Begle1]

How much more cylinder washing are you looking at without the grid heaters?

Typically the heaters are only on for a few seconds before being off for a few seconds, so I would think that you're only looking at a most twice as much wash as without it. Which would mean that you're never going to see any more wear than typical.

Right?

[Ace]

Begle, it sounds to me like you're more worried about what would be a fuel dilution issue. Cylinder wash happens when the engine is left idling cold. Then you have incomplete combution leaving fuel in the cylinders under the stress of a running engine.

Just cranking it isn't going to hurt anything, unless you are talking about a lot of cranking to the point where raw fuel is left running down into the crankcase, diluting the oil.

[Begle1]

My understanding is that wash is when the fuel condenses onto the cylinder walls whenever RPM is low enough and the air is cold enough. The result is fuel diluting the oil and a lack of cylinder wall lubrication. Wash doesn't get any more likely with time, it just gets more damaging with time as more and more fuel builds up.

But I don't think the grid heaters would prevent that anyways; they might prevent it for the 5 seconds they're on, then not for the 5 seconds they're off.

Maybe the 5 seconds they're on is enough to clear the fuel that condensed during the 5 seconds they're weren't on?

A high idle would probably be more effective than grid heaters anyways?

Cylinder wash gremlins are as trumped up as ULSD gremlins, ATF gremlins and turbo cool down gremlins... But I'm willing to bet that some engineer behind the implementation of the grid heaters would think twice about their removal for reasons beyond emissions.

I seriously doubt it'd ever manifest into a problem.

[PapeCAT]

yeah Rswords, do you have a fuel pressure gauge? What do you have in there for a lift pump? Even without grid heaters your truck should start up easier........................................

[RSWORDS]

Fuel pressure is the pretty standard 4-5 psi for teh stock set-up. It usually starts no problem but it was sitting for about a week with a good wind blwing straight into the grill and about 17* outside.