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First fire advice

Postby bighroder » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:39 pm

Ok I bought my motor from a friend it ran when he pulled it and I trust his word the motor has been sitting for 8 months ish (sheltered) I now have the motor on a stand and have pulled all the crap off it. I'm gunna start tearing it down for new hg, studs and o rings see how the bottom end looks. But I'd like to see how it runs on the stand before I open it up, just curious.

My motor is an 89' has 160k on it

I have spun on a new wix fuel filter (filled with atf)

primed the system to the injectors

Valves set to .010 and .020

Hooked power to the fss (I had some guy telling me the fuel shutoff was the block with the wire on the side of the ip. To be honest I'm not sure what that is but im certain the fss is behind the afc "hat" correct? And the manual shutoff should be sprung forward in the relaxed position?

I have a feed line going from my lp pump into a can of #2 red diesel, old green fuel is purging out the return...

I had a very old very tired battery trying to spin it and you could tell it just couldn't spin her fast enough so before I get a new one tommorow I wanna know if I'm missing anything
Here she is in all her glory
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ll it just couldn't thru her fast enough so before I get a new battery tommorow I'd like to know if I'm missing anything
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Re: First fire advice

Postby Tacoclaw » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:37 pm

I'd probably pull the FSS and let it roll over a couple times for about 15-20 seconds. I've always done that to my truck after it sits around to help get oil around before things start spinning really fast.
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Re: First fire advice

Postby bighroder » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:13 pm

It still had fuel in the pump but I will do that as well, any other advice?
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Re: First fire advice

Postby Mark Nixon » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:39 pm

ATF has no place in a diesel engine!
You ought to fill that filter with diesel fuel instead.

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Re: First fire advice

Postby bighroder » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:20 pm

I dont mean to argue but atf is good in moderation the detergent in it cleans the injection system and for a motor that will see mostly used engine oil rather then diesel, I guess its just personal preference, we do the same thing at work on big rigs :)
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Re: First fire advice

Postby PToombs » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:13 pm

I agree with Mark on the ATF thing, friction modifiers have no place in an injection pump, and it isn't a '70's detroit diesel. It's your IP, so whatever.
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Re: First fire advice

Postby Mark Nixon » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:14 pm

USED engine oil? :shock:
Man, people just don't have a clue, do they?
There's a reason it's called "Black Diesel" and the color is the clue.

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Re: First fire advice

Postby bighroder » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:45 pm

Mark Nixon wrote:USED engine oil? :shock:
Man, people just don't have a clue, do they?
There's a reason it's called "Black Diesel" and the color is the clue.

Mark.


She fired up and run great, not sure what your getting at with the black diesel, honestly diesel is an oil burner we had an old allis that was fed pure "used oil" cycled thru a cat filter x2 1978 had that treatment since early 80s never had a problem or a broken part, I have a friend with a 12v p pump that he runs used atf 75(he works at a trans rebuild shop in gr) to 25 diesel the truck has been turning out dyno numbers in the high 700s 1300 ftlbs hes been running it this yway for almost 4 years and has upwards of 80k miles since the fuel swap. I know I'm some young kid but I'm not stupid and its not like this is some radical idea that had never been done..
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Re: First fire advice

Postby bighroder » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:04 pm

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Kinda feel like I'm gunna get bashed but heres the vid and I want to say thank you for the advice and all the things I've learned on this site :)

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Hopefully one of the links work
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Re: First fire advice

Postby Mark Nixon » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:47 pm

People think the mechanical pumps are indestructible. :roll:

Run what you want, just don't complain when it hard coats the injectors and fouls up the spray pattern, or wears the H&R prematurely.
These on-road engines are lower compression, so they aren't meant to run on a thicker oil.
Higher compression "helps", but it's not the cure. Like anything else, a diesel runs on fuel with a good cetane rating and there is a correct range of "specific gravity" (tests flow at a certain temperature), as well.
The cure is to just plain not run used oil through them and under NO circumstances should any kind of ATF, much less un-processed cooking oil, be run.

Also, get caught by the DOT with WMO/WTF (ANYONE can!) and they'll hand you a nice fat fine AND make you drain it and fill with APPROVED motor fuel.
Though less likely, the tax people may also come calling, too.

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Re: First fire advice

Postby dazedandconfused » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:12 pm

We use to add 25 gallons of used oil to our 250 gallon tank when i worked construction. We ran it in our old dozer and backhoe that were about dead. I wouldn't run it in my truck though but thats me.
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Re: First fire advice

Postby ellis93 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:55 pm

Same old disbelievers :lol: As long as it's not "Type F" it'll be ok,I've used it for years in mine and it's still pumping just fine. I posted links up in some old treads of folks running it alone and had great results for their wallets.
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Re: First fire advice

Postby dunes450r » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:08 pm

ellis93 wrote:Same old disbelievers :lol: As long as it's not "Type F" it'll be ok,I've used it for years in mine and it's still pumping just fine. I posted links up in some old treads of folks running it alone and had great results for their wallets.

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Re: First fire advice

Postby Mark Nixon » Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:05 pm

ellis93 wrote:Same old disbelievers :lol: As long as it's not "Type F" it'll be ok,I've used it for years in mine and it's still pumping just fine. I posted links up in some old treads of folks running it alone and had great results for their wallets.

I flatly refuse to agree. Period.
My mind is closed on the subject, due to my own experiences and experiments.

I'd run sand first, at least the filters will catch it.

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Re: First fire advice

Postby bighroder » Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:05 am

I don't mean to make believers I've seen what it has done for me, honestly you look at in a perspective like this, these engines were made in a time when high sulfar diesel was produced and sold now we are at ultra low sulfar diesel I know no one wants to talk about the early duramaxs but that's why they had injector injection pump issues theres no lubricity in todays fuel I ran used oil along with religously running diesel clean additive in every tank 300k with any fuel system problems before I sold it 289k to be honest but you get my point you look at the content of fuel in earlier years compared to today you will see why its good to run atleast an additive
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