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dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby rockmike » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:48 am

Hey guys please forgive my ignorance(Im learning) :) My truck is running about 35psi@ WFO since I put the W/M on now it wants to over boost a bit if I let it. keep it floored it acts like it will climb to 40psi maybe more :shock: Ive read on here that stock head gasket and bolt will not hold up this kinda abuse.I could just run water,I assume this will lower boost since there no methanol(to burn as fuel)?But its freezing outside I need the meth in there for winter work.I could back out the power screw,I dont want to do this,if anything I would like to turn it in a lil more and get some more power out of her.

So I guess the best thing to do would be to lengthin the rod on the waste gate?? I dont have to truck in front of me right now(im at work)Does the hx35 have and adjustable rod? would I need to cut the rod and put a turnbuckle of some sort in there so I could adjust the rod?

Im getting the truck ready for a long haul to Moab,Utah in two months,will be pulling about 18k and I just dont want no issues.I want more power but need to control this boost to no more than 35 psi w/ the W/M

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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby skilletky » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:14 am

DONT RUN JUST WATER. turn the controller down. i ran mine at 100% and 45 psi of boost 2 times on stock head bolts. blew the gasket both times. i found that withe regular old -20 blue washer fluid, around 40 psi of boost, stock head bolts, and the contoller set to no higher than 70%, it would not blow the head gasket. every truck is differnet
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby skilletky » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:15 am

more timing, plain water, and 40 psi of boost is a little too much cyl pressure for stock bolts
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby rockmike » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:41 am

Thanks for the post,can you help me with the boost control question? as far as lengthing the WG rod to give less boost @ WFO?

Im guessing this is a Mr obvious question :oops:

I would like to dial up a lil more fuel with my power screw or a fuel pin,everytime I add a lil more fuel my boost goes up @WFO.I think ideally I would like 30 psi with no W/M @ WFO so when the W/M comes on I'll climb to 35 psi...
93 d350 extra cab 5 speed dually.

Mods: hx35,rotated fuel pin,bosch 190 inj.,BHAF with smooth intake tube,3200 rpm spring,M&H dynamic timing spacer,isspro EGT and boost gauge,Auto meter tach, fuel press. gauge.Diamond eye 4" exhaust,Sno Stage 2 W/M kit.

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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby skilletky » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:59 pm

more fuel = more boost. if you lengthen the waste gate rod then it should lower boost, i think, i cant think straight for some reason right now.
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby oldestof11 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:43 pm

Hot torque your head bolts to 135lbs and drill out your wastegate to 7/8" I believe.
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby rockmike » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:07 pm

oldestof11 wrote:Hot torque your head bolts to 135lbs and drill out your wastegate to 7/8" I believe.


I have not retorqued the head? I did adjust the valves,damn the exhaust valves where way out of spec :shock:

When I installed the hx35 I drilled the hole out to 13/16" and drilled through the divider.I dont have much experiance with these 12v engines.My truck sure responds well to any fuel...it runs harder and the boost comes up quick! It must be a healthy engine,etc. 8)

I'll take a good look at that WG rod when I get home and see what it takes tomake it adjustable,if its not already adjustable?

Thanks guys ,sure appreciate the help and knowledge y'all bring.
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby revemup15 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:03 pm

oldestof11 wrote:Hot torque your head bolts to 135lbs and drill out your wastegate to 7/8" I believe.


what a fail . . .. good way to stretch a bolt or stud
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby bgilbert » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:30 pm

revemup15 wrote:
oldestof11 wrote:Hot torque your head bolts to 135lbs and drill out your wastegate to 7/8" I believe.


what a fail... good way to stretch a bolt or stud

Many go to 150ftlbs without a fail..
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:39 pm

Added timing is really hard on the hg. Due to the fact you have the spacer, I would try to limit your boost to 35# max. I blew a hg at 30#...due to timing.

Double check the torques on your head bolts... I'm personally not a fan of overtorquing though. But at 200k miles, some of my head bolts were at about 60#...... ya, exactly.
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby Sutter1stgen » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:46 am

I would definitely retorque at least. I pulled each bolt, one at a time, in the torque sequence. Took the bolt to the wire wheel for some cleaning, applied a liberal amount of hd lube, and reinstalled to factory torque spec 90ftlbs I believe????
After every bolt was reinstalled with lube to the factory spec, I would raise the torque in sequence, in encriments till I got to 125ftlbs. I did all of this in the morning with a stone cold engine. The truck was not started within 12 hours.
This worked for me with my pump to the bead and a small set of twins at 55 psi, with high drive pressures. I later put ARP studs in and feel a lot more confident.
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby SuperiorRam » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:37 am

Lengthing the wg rod won't get you anywhere IMO the puck only has so far to open till it hits the back cover
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby BC847 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:15 pm

SuperiorRam wrote:Lengthing the wg rod won't get you anywhere IMO the puck only has so far to open till it hits the back cover

It does affect the preload on the WG spring though, thus altering the pressure required to open/close the gate.
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby rockmike » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:17 am

Can I get a differant spring or WG pod thing to lower boost #'s rather than extending the rod?

Would this be a better way of lowering boost?

This hx35 I have came off an 01 5 speed truck.
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Re: dont want to pop the head gasket

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:13 pm

You could run an external gate...but they are kind of pricey, around $400 on up.
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