1st gen vs 2nd & 3rd

[Ironforger]

Wow that's quite a list. Thanks for the info Mark. Greatly appreciated.

I'll find a decent truck sooner or later. I like your suggestions regarding the 2001-2002. Keeping my eyes open.

[Mark Nixon]

Yep, the 2001-2002 trucks are hard to beat!
Though, I'd be hard pressed to refuse a 1998 5 speed, 12 valve, Q/C, 3500 if it were a choice, either.
Now THAT'S a hard to locate truck!

Mark.

[RCCUMMINS89]

My dad had one..... and took him over a year to sell it for under 8k with under 200k on it. Things aren't selling very well in this country.

edit..... his was an auto though. But still.... 98 quad cab, 1 ton, 4x4, 12 valve, 190k..ish....miles, and finally sold it for like 6800

[Mark Nixon]

My dad had one..... and took him over a year to sell it for under 8k with under 200k on it. Things aren't selling very well in this country.

Everyone's worried about guns, taxes and just getting by, which I can't fault to a certain extent, though the freeloaders on G.A. are still doing fine.
Then there's been the weather, people don't work on vehicles outside in the cold and snow.

Don't get me started on politics and the way people think, it'll be a train wreck.

Speaking of 2nd gen autos, my helpers called, their 47RE tranny took a schit in the 1997 they are driving. Imagine that.

Mark.

[RCCUMMINS89]

Oh, I know, I know......it's frusterasting on how people want to be "taken care of yet still have freedoms" ..... can't have both people.

[ellis93]

Oh, I know, I know......it's frusterasting on how people want to be "taken care of yet still have freedoms" ..... can't have both people.

Ha ha.... You mean you can get a "check" and still have rimsess on your 93 crown vic that painted up like a bag of M&Ms

[RCCUMMINS89]

Or how....... I'm an alcoholic so I can't work, I should get food stamps...... then the food stamps made me too fat to work, so now I get disability..... and since I am overweight and hven't worked in the last 20 years I now have diabetes, heart disease, and need weekly medical attention.... the government should pay for my insurance too.

But, I still want to be in charge.... GRRR............

[RCCUMMINS89]

OH,..... and if the government can't afford to take care of me.... blame it on the rich man.

Because, he made me work so hard with horrible hours that I had to drink when I was young in order to cope and the rich man is the one that made mcdonalds taste so good so he could sell more and take advantage of me..... and the rich man is what causes insurance prices to be so high......

[Mark Nixon]

OH,..... and if the government can't afford to take care of me.... blame it on the rich man.

Because, he made me work so hard with horrible hours that I had to drink when I was young in order to cope and the rich man is the one that made mcdonalds taste so good so he could sell more and take advantage of me..... and the rich man is what causes insurance prices to be so high......

While I do TEND to agree that the freeloaders need to get a clue and learn some self-discipline, the rich aren't really that much better.
Ever known a "wealthy person" to NOT take advantage of tax laws, or find cheaper labor elsewhere?

Before you say something like "Well, he has the right to get as many breaks as he can find", that's what the liberal freeloaders say, too.

Mark.

[RCCUMMINS89]

I look at it like this. If taxes go up on The Hungry Diesel, I simply have to push it onto the price of the products.

There is a lot more going on that just that on both ends... and I'm not saying I agree with all of the "breaks" but taxing the "rich" or "business" doesn't help things, and really only trickles back down to increasing the hardship on the workers and consumer.

Now if one is taking advantage of employees or the consumer (public) that is something completely different and is obviously wrong on a moral end.

[Ironforger]

LOL! I love the rants.

Man I can't tell you some of the rediculous trucks I've looked at recently. Sounds good, pictures are good but upon looking turns out to be a rust heap or junk! I've encountered 2 1st gen trucks with a seller claiming low mileage only to find the odo is broken. One guy swore the truck had 110k. I checked the carfax, turns out the truck had 105k in 2001! Do you really think someone is going to drive only 5000 miles in 12 years? And low and behold when I drove it I immediately noticed the odo was not turning, I mentioned it to him and he said "Really? I didnt know that" Yea right!

Then there are the good deals that come up, I'm getting ready to go look at it and BAM! someone purchases it within 2 hours of the ad being posted.

Mark you are so right. Increddible demand for the duallys.

Wish me luck. Going to look at one tommorow eve!

[RCCUMMINS89]

That's why 99% of our "low mileage trucks" are complete bull.

I've personally never owned one that the speedo didn't quit working. Heck I could go fix mine right now and sell a 1st gen cummins ramcharger w/ only 127k.... ya right, has probably double that and then some.

[Mark Nixon]

Around April/May-ish of 1992 the speedometers changed to a "more reliable" design and I have seen more of this design in working order, "per capita", you might say, than the 1990-1992-3/4 speedos.
Even these few 1992s and the 1993s are to be scrutinized close, as other schit happens that takes out the speedometer, like the transfer/reducer box goes tits up, the VSS dies, wiring gets pinched in a tranny rebuild.
The sky's the limit, especially since a good number of these trucks have had tranny work in their history.

Mark.

[Ironforger]

In my opinion, a 2002 6 speed, 4wd Extended Cab Dually is the holy grail of the VP trucks!
It's the latest, greatest updates, some of the more major issues were addressed, big input on the 6 speed, rear disc brakes, a nice set-up to tow with for the 2nd gen.
LOVE the stance and, in the darker colors, the pure "Badass Look" of them.
If the one you're looking at is in good mechanical and cosmetical shape, it's clean and has the door bottoms not rusted out in it, 6k is a decent deal.

The VP is the OEM pump on the 1998-2002 (24 valves), it is computer controlled and has been known to be highly susceptible to failure due to lack of proper fuel supply.
Treated right, they will last, with a proper fuel supply and keep the tuner off it.





Mark.

Looking at a 2002 6 speed dually tonight. 200k miles. Any other tips (besides what you have already mentioned above) on what to look for? Is there anyway to tell if it has a problem with fuel supply? Any symptoms leading up to this or does the pump just fail?

Also, i've heard about unscrewing the oil fill cap slightly while running to test for blow by. Is this a valid concern for the 2002?

It's an HO. Did they also make a non HO 5.9 that year?

Thanks

[RCCUMMINS89]

Off hand I don't know of any ways to test the lift pump system. Just figure that' it'll either have gone by now or most likely will. Once the VP has been replaced and lift pump upgraded they are a fantastic set up.

Blow by is a concern for every year, but in reality it's not that common for a motor to go bad. If it's not smoking and the oil pressure is good then you are probably good as well.

The 6 pseeds were high outputs, the 5 speed and autos were not.