1stGen.org

THE place for 1st gens

Skip to content

regret p pumpin

How to make it go fast

Moderators: Greenleaf, KTA, BC847, Richie O

Post a reply

regret p pumpin

Postby railhor5.9 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:29 pm

well i bought a 94 dodge motor with an nv4500 behind it... decided to p pump the old 1st gen... took 2 days and 3 cases of beer... runs worse than my old ve.... my timing is at 16* modded afc and fuel plate ground and foward... im thinkin bout goin back to my ve pump!!!! :sad:
1993 d250,single cab short bed, sbc, 175hp p-pumped,4kgsk,370's, fass 150. hx35
1997 2500 4x4 , 913,191's,3kgsk,5x16, 3rd gen dubs.
User avatar
railhor5.9
fuel screw!!!!
 
Posts: 85
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:14 pm
Location: cleburne tx
Top

Postby Richie O » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:33 pm

Put your head out side the window and you will here Dtanklage crying. :lol:
1989 W250 727, 3.07 L/S, S300, P/S Intercooler, Stans exaust, Pump adjustments, 127k miles,297 hp
1993 W250 extended cab, rag, 4.10 l/s, 6x16's, HTT 62/71/14 piston l/p, Isspro EV series tach, fuel pressure, boost, oil pres, water temp, volt, pryo, 132k/ 301 hp
1992 W250 with NV4500, 3.54's, 16cm 60mm GDS H1C, ground stock cone, Isspro tach, pryo, boost, fuel pressure, slow, rusty, dented,180k
User avatar
Richie O
Administrator
 
Posts: 4171
Joined: Sat May 17, 2008 9:01 pm
Location: New England
Top

Postby peobryant » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:11 pm

Did you drop the '94 motor in, or just use the pump off of it?
Parker
1991 Dodge Ram D350, Cummins Turbo Diesel, A518
1972 Mercedes-Benz 220D, OM615 Diesel, 4 Speed Manual
User avatar
peobryant
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1946
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:07 am
Location: Goshen, Ky
Top

Postby peobryant » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:26 pm

Also, what do you mean it is running bad? Can you explain more? It may be a simple issue that is causing it.
Parker
1991 Dodge Ram D350, Cummins Turbo Diesel, A518
1972 Mercedes-Benz 220D, OM615 Diesel, 4 Speed Manual
User avatar
peobryant
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1946
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:07 am
Location: Goshen, Ky
Top

Postby TWorline » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:44 pm

'91 Cummins wrote:Also, what do you mean it is running bad? Can you explain more? It may be a simple issue that is causing it.


What Parker said. Have you readjusted the pop pressure on your injectors to P-pump pressures? If not your timing is way advanced due to your injectors popping early if they are still set for a VE.
Tim Worline
1992 W250 Club Cab LE, S300 62/71, 5" stainless intake, 4" into 5" exhaust, ATS exhaust manifold, SDX 5X18 Injectors, AirDog 150, Borgeson shaft, Coolingmist Vari-cool, Con OFEK, 3" Stainless CoolerTubz, 354/749.

http://www.CoolerTubz.com/
User avatar
TWorline
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 2480
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:32 pm
Location: Continental, Oh.
Top

Postby railhor5.9 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:47 am

no i used the pump off the 94 motor and the injectors to... it dont run bad just not as good as my old ve... im sending it to scheid next week for a 5kgsk, cut dv's , and have it benched and tuned right...they said 600 with the right turbo... thinkin bout sum twins. :grin:
1993 d250,single cab short bed, sbc, 175hp p-pumped,4kgsk,370's, fass 150. hx35
1997 2500 4x4 , 913,191's,3kgsk,5x16, 3rd gen dubs.
User avatar
railhor5.9
fuel screw!!!!
 
Posts: 85
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:14 pm
Location: cleburne tx
Top

Postby railhor5.9 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:50 am

hey congrats tworline for making it in diesel power... good lookin motor pic!!!
1993 d250,single cab short bed, sbc, 175hp p-pumped,4kgsk,370's, fass 150. hx35
1997 2500 4x4 , 913,191's,3kgsk,5x16, 3rd gen dubs.
User avatar
railhor5.9
fuel screw!!!!
 
Posts: 85
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:14 pm
Location: cleburne tx
Top

Postby Philip » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:10 am

Those 2nd gen injectors have the wrong spray angles for the pistons in a 1st gen. You need to change the tips to 1st gen tips.
93 W350 Club/cab w/duals, buckets & console, B&W flatbed, G56, 6 spd, 3:07 rears, gages, HX40/16, 4" exhaust, 6X.018 sticks, rear air ride suspension
User avatar
Philip
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1954
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:50 am
Location: Indiana
Top

Postby TWorline » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:50 pm

railhor5.9 wrote:hey congrats tworline for making it in diesel power... good lookin motor pic!!!


Thank you!!! :grin:
Tim Worline
1992 W250 Club Cab LE, S300 62/71, 5" stainless intake, 4" into 5" exhaust, ATS exhaust manifold, SDX 5X18 Injectors, AirDog 150, Borgeson shaft, Coolingmist Vari-cool, Con OFEK, 3" Stainless CoolerTubz, 354/749.

http://www.CoolerTubz.com/
User avatar
TWorline
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 2480
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:32 pm
Location: Continental, Oh.
Top

Postby railhor5.9 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:09 am

how bad is it off??? it white smokes a lil... are the injector tips in the 1st gen bigger? o and another thing i used the p pump cam... then i was reading the specs on the cam and it said the lift on a first gen cam was 1.84 and the p pump has a 1.43 lift. plz tell me if u no if they diff. :sad:
1993 d250,single cab short bed, sbc, 175hp p-pumped,4kgsk,370's, fass 150. hx35
1997 2500 4x4 , 913,191's,3kgsk,5x16, 3rd gen dubs.
User avatar
railhor5.9
fuel screw!!!!
 
Posts: 85
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:14 pm
Location: cleburne tx
Top

Postby peobryant » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:34 pm

Did you ever get it figured out? Is it running right now?
Parker
1991 Dodge Ram D350, Cummins Turbo Diesel, A518
1972 Mercedes-Benz 220D, OM615 Diesel, 4 Speed Manual
User avatar
peobryant
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1946
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:07 am
Location: Goshen, Ky
Top

Postby KTA » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:37 am

Those cam numbers you are referring to sound like injection pump timing lifts. As for the actual engine cams a ic-d 1st gen is virtually identical to a 2nd gen automotive cam. The non ic motors have a little diffrent cam from the factory.
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
User avatar
KTA
diesel guru/mod
 
Posts: 1855
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:23 pm
Location: Shelby County, Ky
Top

Postby pulltilbroke » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:49 am

What is different about the N/IC cams Lift?Duration? LSA?
90 W250 reg cab, Modified knuder valve, reversed reciprocting dinglearm adjusted, High volume flux capacitor,upgraded whirlygig, A clutch and a hitch
93 W350 ext cab dually, getrag and a few adjustments
pulltilbroke
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1410
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:20 am
Location: Eagle Ne
Top

Postby KTA » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:53 am

I do not know the exact diffrence because I have never degreed a non ic'd cam. I do know that they still retain a unique cummins part number while all the rest of the automotive cams sub to the same one. The only other 12V cam that exists is the marine cam which has more lift and duration since they were designed to make power at 3000rpm.
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
User avatar
KTA
diesel guru/mod
 
Posts: 1855
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:23 pm
Location: Shelby County, Ky
Top

Re: regret p pumpin

Postby peobryant » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:01 pm

railhor5.9 wrote:well i bought a 94 dodge motor with an nv4500 behind it... decided to p pump the old 1st gen... took 2 days and 3 cases of beer... runs worse than my old ve.... my timing is at 16* modded afc and fuel plate ground and foward... im thinkin bout goin back to my ve pump!!!! :sad:


A little off topic, but what are you going to do with that NV4500?
Parker
1991 Dodge Ram D350, Cummins Turbo Diesel, A518
1972 Mercedes-Benz 220D, OM615 Diesel, 4 Speed Manual
User avatar
peobryant
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1946
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:07 am
Location: Goshen, Ky
Top
Post a reply

Return to The good stuff

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 54 guests

Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group