IP cc's

[seeker1056]

anyone know what a stock IP makes for fuel in cc's
a modified IP with ground or Ol smokey type fuel pin
a modified IP with a 14mm head on it

Is the output directly correlated to the size of the injectors bein fed?

thanx
Ken

[KTA]

The stock IP fuel delivery is posted on the engine data tag, and I believe it is about 90cc best I recall.
My old 12mm pump flowed about 230cc max the one time it was on a stand.
I don't know what my 14mm flows as it has never been tested. Jeremy ran one of mine and I think it was about 330cc.
That being said the numbers don't mean a whole lot and can very greatly depending on the testing method.
For each application there is a certain set of injection lines and nozzles used to test those nubers as OEM values. some stands use test nozzles, and others use an orifice. Changes in either of those effect the output values. Diffrent diameter lines and diffrent length lines also effect it. ANother common problem in testing is the speed/rpm at which the pump is tested. For example Piers stupid pumps claimed 1200cc on mostly stock parts. They however didn't have a stand big enough to run the pumps at full rack at anything more than engine idle speed. When in actual application when the engine was turning 3000rpm it was only producing about 400cc. That is why you get the erroneous claims of people cleaning up 800cc or 1000cc of fuel.

[seeker1056]

Thanx Brian - I knew you would have the proper info once again

thats why I also asked about the injector as a condition of flow once hooked up and running on the motor

So are all of the so called big 12mm p-pumps using conditional numbers to state flow?

Is there a correlation between hp/tq produced, and cc's used, and or wasted? assumin enough air to burn as much fuel as is possible

I am thinkin back to BAnks claims of makin 700 +/- on 220 cc's #2 fuel and no smoke and no drugs

Where i am goin with this is to try to match pump output with an ideal injector, as several posts here on this site and others, have shown an increase in power by a decrease in injector size - all other things bein equal

[KTA]

Generally on the 5.9 using the factory standards about 1cc of fuel = 2 hp. So 220cc would be about 440hp. That is pretty generic though because as rpms increase the amount of fuel required to make the same power decreases. Also that Banks cliam was probably on a d-max which has 2 more injectors so it would make about 586hp. Now that is less than the claimed 700 but that is a pretty generic assumption. If you wanted to take the time you could calculate the thermal value of the fuel, multiply it by some effeciency ratio based on the engines ability to turn heat into work and determine the power available from a given amount of fuel at a certain rpm, assuming of course you have enough available air to burn said fuel. That being said I am sure actual fuel delivery of 220cc in the 4000rpm range is probably cpable of making 700hp if you burn it all. At 2000rpm no chance.

[seeker1056]

nah that was for thier 5.9 race motor with hx55 vgt turbo and all the electronics

good info thanx

so to make your 680s hp uncorrected or whatever the actual number was, you had some 350 ccs? (I know you said 230 but the math isnt workin from your statement?? or did I miss sumthing?) from the 12mm pump? It was the 12mm you made the record run with yes?

[KTA]

Uh the actual number is right in my sig. LOL It was 627 and that was with my 14mm. The 12mm record I have is 486 rwhp on a single turbo and that was with the 230cc pump.

[seeker1056]

apologies KTA - yes I know what your signature says lol

But I also recall you saying quite some time ago that you made 680 sumthin but because it wasnt on the "right" dyno or sum such, you dont post those results as the record

MAn some of us would kill for those numbers lol good or not

[JQmile]

The 680 you're thinking of was STOMP on water/meth...I think KTA made 650 on a non-dunbar dyno, if I remember my KTA history right

[fergavs]

I had my pump on the stand a few times after having my issues getting the 14mm head and 4mm camplate installed.

On the stand with my 6-18 injectors, 14mm H/R, and 4mm camplate it pushed out a little under 500cc of fuel at 1500 stand rpm. (3000 engine rpm)

On the stand with only the 14mm head and 6-18's it produced over 350cc of fuel at the same 1500 stand rpm.

I figure right now with the 2 stages of gas I should be a ble to break 600hp hopefully. If I can get another 4mm camplate in there and mount the gt4202 sitting in the shop maybe even into the 700's.

Ah well just a pipe dream at the moment. Ill let ya know what happens in the spring with the dyno. If it turns out how I hope then the 1cc per 2hp should be pretty close. KTA's number display that as well.

[cummins king]

Oh F.... My truck will be running again tomorrow. This is so exiting! It what Ryan says is right i then 500cc is enough for sure 700hp! Baby i cant wait!

[seeker1056]

so on another board the answer to common cc measurements was cc's per 1000 strokes

how does that correlate to our pumps and thier output?

[KTA]

1000 strokes is the OEM standard, and it is the same for our pumps. In actuality though many stands can't measure 1000 strokes on a high deliver pump because it fills the graduated cylinders too much so they may ony test say 250 strokes and then multiply by 4 to get the standard 1000 strokes.

[seeker1056]

Hey Joel - You actually gonna get that thing on a dyno before u blow it apart again, lol

gotta love that R&D stuff

[fergavs]

My pump guy also gave me that spec as far as cc per 1000 strokes. I cant remember what they were though. He had to do the spec based on 250 strokes though because as KTA stated it was filling up the cylinders to much.

[cummins king]

well i didn't get it finished, cuz i didn't have a 14mm 12 point by 1/2 socket, and guess what neither did anybody else,

and also cuz i only order 6 push rods instead of the 12 needed, cough cough..........................


But i got everything now so i will try again tomorrow!