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Latrer model 12v head on VE truck

Postby RSWORDS » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:35 am

Anything special I would need to do? Can get a good deal on a 95 12v head. I know it will bolt up but is anything else different? Injector threads in the head the same size?
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Postby dpuckett » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:49 am

As far as I'm aware, a 12v head is a 12v head- it should bolt up just fine. The injector bodies are different in the latter 12v heads, but the hold down nuts are the same.

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Postby Ramrod90 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:35 pm

The heads are dang near exact. The only difference is the spacing of the holes for the throttle linkage bracket. Not a big deal and can be worked around easily.
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Postby seeker1056 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:48 pm

actually there are a few changes to the ports and the second gen head flows better
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Postby Ramrod90 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:53 pm

I have heard that but just as many people have said that there was no proof to back it up.
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Postby crewcabxlt » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:21 pm

i got a great buy on an early 98 12v that was rebuilt,then mixed oil and coolant. i took intake cover off that head,so i could see into valve bowl area. non i/c head and a 93 i/c head.the valve bowl area was alot more open on both the 98 and 93 head vs the old noni/c head, casting was smoother too. the difference between 93 and 98 wasnt much. i bolted the 98 right on my 90 block. it seems to flow better. replacing a non i/c head if you have a reason is worth it but they all seem capable of good power
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Postby peobryant » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:16 pm

crewcabxlt wrote:i got a great buy on an early 98 12v that was rebuilt,then mixed oil and coolant. i took intake cover off that head,so i could see into valve bowl area. non i/c head and a 93 i/c head.the valve bowl area was alot more open on both the 98 and 93 head vs the old noni/c head, casting was smoother too. the difference between 93 and 98 wasnt much. i bolted the 98 right on my 90 block. it seems to flow better. replacing a non i/c head if you have a reason is worth it but they all seem capable of good power


The Non I/C heads are known to crack anyway, so you are better off replacing them.
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Postby SChandler » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:01 pm

'91 Cummins wrote:
crewcabxlt wrote:i got a great buy on an early 98 12v that was rebuilt,then mixed oil and coolant. i took intake cover off that head,so i could see into valve bowl area. non i/c head and a 93 i/c head.the valve bowl area was alot more open on both the 98 and 93 head vs the old noni/c head, casting was smoother too. the difference between 93 and 98 wasnt much. i bolted the 98 right on my 90 block. it seems to flow better. replacing a non i/c head if you have a reason is worth it but they all seem capable of good power


The Non I/C heads are known to crack anyway, so you are better off replacing them.


If you replace a Non I/C head with a later head, then you'll need to buy new injectors since the reason the Non I/C heads are more prone to cracking is due to the larger holes for the injectors than the later heads.
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Postby Ramrod90 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:23 am

What??? That is not true, All you have to do is go on PDR and get the 7mm to 9mm brass injector adapters.
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Postby sdubfid » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:36 am

Ramrod90 wrote:What??? That is not true, All you have to do is go on PDR and get the 7mm to 9mm brass injector adapters.


No hes saying you can't put your non-ic injectors into a newer head because they are too big.
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Postby SChandler » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:45 am

sdubfid wrote:
Ramrod90 wrote:What??? That is not true, All you have to do is go on PDR and get the 7mm to 9mm brass injector adapters.


No hes saying you can't put your non-ic injectors into a newer head because they are too big.


Yep, you can't put non I/C injectors into a newer head.
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Postby RSWORDS » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:35 am

SChandler wrote:
'91 Cummins wrote:
crewcabxlt wrote:i got a great buy on an early 98 12v that was rebuilt,then mixed oil and coolant. i took intake cover off that head,so i could see into valve bowl area. non i/c head and a 93 i/c head.the valve bowl area was alot more open on both the 98 and 93 head vs the old noni/c head, casting was smoother too. the difference between 93 and 98 wasnt much. i bolted the 98 right on my 90 block. it seems to flow better. replacing a non i/c head if you have a reason is worth it but they all seem capable of good power


The Non I/C heads are known to crack anyway, so you are better off replacing them.


If you replace a Non I/C head with a later head, then you'll need to buy new injectors since the reason the Non I/C heads are more prone to cracking is due to the larger holes for the injectors than the later heads.


Already have some new injectors on teh way
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Postby Ramrod90 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:20 am

OOOHHH. my bad, I got it mixed up. Sorry about that!
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