I'd convert to WVO if you wanna drive for free

[Begle1]

Sure, biodiesel may be hard on certain plastics and rubbers, ...

To exactly what plastics and rubbers do you refer, Nitrile, Viton, Buna, what exactly? Poor factless people like me want to know!

According to Biodiesel.org, ":[n]atural or nitrile rubber compounds, polypropylene, polyvinyl, and Tygon materials are particularly vulnerable."

http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/fuel ... bility.pdf

[Heo]

Sure, biodiesel may be hard on certain plastics and rubbers, ...

To exactly what plastics and rubbers do you refer, Nitrile, Viton, Buna, what exactly? Poor factless people like me want to know!

The 5.9 Liter was not designed to run on oil. Just because it does run on WVO or WMO does not mean that some harm isnt being inflicted.

I've been running WMO in my 1st Gen for over three years, and a commonrail for almost one year now. They both run better than they did the day I purchased them. Far better. Quieter, more power and better fuel mileage. Well at least before I put the big tires on the 1st Gen. Do you have any of your own personal experience with which to enlighten us?

The motor oil itself was designed to inhibit combustion, then pared with the metals and other crap floating around, leads to a deadly combo.

Cummins authorizes up to 5% WMO fuel add and even sells kits to automatically remove, mix/fuel and replentish oil in the crankcase. I suppose the manufacturer is not aware of this dangerous condition of which you speak.

I have a neat science experiment you can try at home,...

I have a science experiment you can try up your arse. Study the cetane requirements for diesel combustion at various temperatures and get back to me on that.

I don't understand the excitement in using WVO and especially WMO as a fuel, it is just because it's low hanging fruit?

I use it for lubricity and cetane stability. ULSD generally runs an HFRR rating around 700, requiring a lubricity additive. I'm not trusting the oil companies to take care of that for me. I spend a certain amount of time managing my fuel add mixes, filtering equiment and stock of WMO and used petroleum products of all kinds which I burn in the truck, so it's not exactly "low hanging fruit" to me, per se.

Let me know if you need any more "facts."

What filtering equipment do you use, I hope it's a centrifuge. You mention Cummins and their 5% allowed , is that the top amount of WMO that you use in your truck? It should be noted that the Centinel oil system uses a pretty substantial amount electronics to control the amount of used oil being burned, not to mention the different oil pump that removes the used oil while bringing in fresh oil. You've added this to your truck as well?

[quote=https://quickserve.cummins.com/info/qsol/products/newparts/centinel.html]CENTINEL works over the road, on the water, in power generation and in the mining pits. Because it is available as an original engine option and in most cases as an aftermarket kit, Cummins owners with the following engines can benefit from CENTINEL: heavy-duty engines (L10, M11, N14, ISX and ISM) or high-horsepower industrial engines (QSX15, K19, QSK19, QST30, K38, QSK45, K50, QSK50, QSK60 and QSK78).[/quote]
I dont see the ISB on the list.

Regardless if you think your truck is running better, burning other petroleum products cannot be good or beneficial to your truck or the environment. If you are so worried about lubricity then why do you not use products that were formulated for use with ULSD?

[Ace]

According to Biodiesel.org, ":[n]atural or nitrile rubber compounds, polypropylene, polyvinyl, and Tygon materials are particularly vulnerable."

http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/fuel ... bility.pdf

Thanks for that Begle - sorry, but I was just being facetious. Heo can pursue his diesel fueling and additive education elsewhere as far as I'm concerned.

[Heo]

Ace, you mention HFRR
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177728

These results are listed in the order of performance in the HFRR test. The baseline fuel used in every test started at an HFRR score of 636. The score shown is the tested HFRR score of the baseline fuel/additive blend.
Also included is the wear scar improvement provided by the additive as well as other claimed benefits of the additive. Each additive is also categorized as a Multi-purpose additive, Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Lubricity only, non-conventional, or as an additive capable of treating both gasoline and diesel fuel.
As a convenience to the reader there is also information on price per treated tank of diesel fuel (using a 26 gallon tank), and dosage per 26 gallon tank provided as “ounces of additive per 26 gallon tank”.

1) 2% REG SoyPower biodiesel
HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement.
50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel
66.56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of diesel fuel
Price: market value

2)Opti-Lube XPD
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
cetane improver, demulsifier
HFRR 317, 319 micron improvement.
256:1 ratio
13 oz/tank
$4.35/tank

3)FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas fuel treatment
Gas and Diesel
cetane improver, emulsifier
HFRR 439, 197 micron improvement
640:1 ratio
5.2 oz/tank
$2.60/tank

4)Opti-Lube Summer Blend
Multi-purpose
demulsifier
HFRR 447, 189 micron improvement
3000:1 ratio
1.11 oz/tank
$0.68/tank

5)Opti-Lube Winter Blend
Muti-purpose + anti-gel
cetane improver
HFRR 461, 175 micron improvement
512:1 ratio
6.5 oz/tank
$3.65/tank

6)Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
cetane improver, emulsifier, bio-diesel compatible
HFRR 470, 166 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.87/tank

7)Super Tech Outboard 2-cycle TC-W3 engine oil
Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems)
HFRR 474, 162 micron improvement
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
$1.09/tank

Stanadyne Lubricity Formula
Lubricity Only
demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 479, 157 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.00/tank

9)Amsoil Diesel Concentrate
Multi-purpose
demulsifier, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 488, 148 micron improvement
640:1 ratio
5.2 oz/tank
$2.16/tank

10)Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost
Multi-purpose
Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 575, 61 micron improvement
400:1 ratio
8.32 oz/tank
$1.58/tank

11)Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner
Multi-purpose
Alcohol free
HFRR 586, 50 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.36/tank

12)Stanadyne Performance Formula
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
cetane improver, demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 603, 33 micron improvement
480:1 ratio
6.9 oz/tank
$4.35/tank

13)Used Motor Oil, Shell Rotella T 15w40, 5,000 miles used.
Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems)
HFRR 634, 2 micron improvement
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
price: market value

14)Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant
Gas or diesel
HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change)
427:1 ratio
7.8 oz/tank
$2.65/tank

15)B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech
Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive
HFRR 644, 8 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change)
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$2.67/tank

16)FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Emulsifier, alcohol free
HFRR 675, 39 microns worse than baseline fuel
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.12/tank

17)Marvel Mystery Oil
Gas, oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems)
HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel.
320:1 ratio
10.4 oz/tank
$3.22/tank

18)ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive
Multi-purpose
Cetane improver, emulsifier, alcohol free
HFRR 696, 60 microns worse than baseline fuel
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$2.38/tank

19)Primrose Power Blend 2003
Multi-purpose
Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, emulsifier
HFRR 711, 75 microns worse than baseline
1066:1 ratio
3.12 oz/tank
$1.39/tank

CONCLUSIONS:

Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the most strict requirements requested by the Engine Manufacturers Association.
Products 1 through 9 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 520 or better, meeting the U.S. diesel fuel requirements for maximum wear scar in a commercially available diesel fuel.
Products 16 through 19 were found to cause the fuel/additive blend to perform worse than the baseline fuel. The cause for this is speculative. This is not unprecedented in HFRR testing and can be caused by alcohol or other components in the additives. Further investigation into the possibilities behind these poor results will investigated.
Any additive testing within +/- 20 microns of the baseline fuel could be considered to have no significant change. The repeatability of this test allows for a +/- 20 micron variability to be considered insignificant.

[Ace]

If you posted the whole article (which anyone that cares read two years ago when it came out) instead the small piece that supposedly supports your invalid point, we'd see that the treat rates for the comparison are orders of magnitude less than the gallons or2-3%/tank I run. I also mix it with 2-stroke oil. Go back and re-read the article. Apples-to-apples, my boy.

Ever considered the cost of Opti-lube and some of the other boutique stuff? Dollar-for dollar, gallon-for-gallon, micron-for-micron, WMO and 2-stroke at a moderate treat rate are by far the best values for a fuel lubricity add. I don't condone the massive dosing of more than a gallon per tank some people seem to be doing, but hey, whatever. It's their truck.

[Richie O]

You guys done yet??

[PToombs]

I'm about done reading it!

[diesel freak01]

ANYHOW
ace how much wmo do you use per tank of diesel? do you mix it before puttin it in your tank or just dump it in first and let it mix itself. just curious about this because i dont have the means at this time to make my own biodiesel and i know this ulsd fuel cant be all that great on the ole rotary pump. when i went to NADC (dont tell anyone!) we made biodiesel in my alt fuels class and one of my classmates run it in his 95 12 valve granted it was the p pump but he actually felt more power (seat of the pants) than straight diesel, seen roughly the same fuel mileage and sounded smoother. i have pics somewhere of the set up we made if anyone is interested.

[Heo]

ANYHOW
ace how much wmo do you use per tank of diesel? do you mix it before puttin it in your tank or just dump it in first and let it mix itself. just curious about this because i dont have the means at this time to make my own biodiesel and i know this ulsd fuel cant be all that great on the ole rotary pump. when i went to NADC (dont tell anyone!) we made biodiesel in my alt fuels class and one of my classmates run it in his 95 12 valve granted it was the p pump but he actually felt more power (seat of the pants) than straight diesel, seen roughly the same fuel mileage and sounded smoother. i have pics somewhere of the set up we made if anyone is interested.

Biodiesel has a higher cetane rating than ULSD, think mid 50s for bio and lower 40s ULSD. Thats why his truck is pulling harder and running smoother.

[VMacKenzie]

Whew, after reading this thread we won't talk about how many hundreds of gallons of gasoline I've run through my '98 12-valve

[peobryant]

Whew, after reading this thread we won't talk about how many hundreds of gallons of gasoline I've run through my '98 12-valve

I doubt anyone here would care. Now if it was a 1st gen, that would be a different story.