Looking for KTA and some help

How the engine works

Moderators: Greenleaf, KTA, BC847, Richie O

Looking for KTA and some help

Postby 6LCummins » Wed May 16, 2007 5:54 pm

So i have been tryin to figure out my injection pump out. I have a 1990 12V out of a Case IH 5140 in my truck and i dont wanna touch it til i know wat im dealing with. i have had a couple tel me they have never seen my pump b4 so im kinda iffy on touchin it, but was told if anyone knew wat it was or wat to do KTA was the guy to ask. im linkin another site cuz i dont know how to put pics up here. sorry if it breaks the rules.

http://www.dieselbombers.com/showthread.php?t=2081


Thanks in advance
Nicholas
6LCummins
fuel pin?
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 3:46 pm

Postby gman07 » Wed May 16, 2007 8:23 pm

That's a VE alright, looks like the one we have on our Case 4240. It looks a little different because it doesn't have an AFC or KSB. That means you won't have a pin to grind, an AFC lever to remove, or a smoke screw to mess with. The only external adjustments appear to be idle, high idle, and the power screw. The power screw should have a 13mm nut that you can loosen, then turn the screw in.

It's clearly visible in this pic: http://www.dieselbombers.com/attachment ... 1179356174

It's right above the throttle linkage (in the pic) and under the return line that comes out of the top of the pump.
1992.5 W250 pump tweaked, straight pipe, gauges, 3200 Gov. spring, AFC lever partially ground, timed at 1/8", Fuel pin ground, BHAF, HTT Stage IV H1C/E 60/12wg (ported), Transgo shift kit, KDP clothes-hangered, 202,000 miles - 36psi, 1250°
gman07
fuel screw!!!!
 
Posts: 81
Joined: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:06 pm
Location: The "nose" of Iowa

Postby 6LCummins » Wed May 16, 2007 10:03 pm

So ur tell in me i cant use a fuel pin??? and thta the only thing i really need to mess with is a power screw??? some of those sound really good, i hope it doesnt mean i cant use a fuel pin. i havea free one gettin made. :evil: :twisted:
6LCummins
fuel pin?
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 3:46 pm
Top

Postby Begle1 » Thu May 17, 2007 6:50 am

Oh, well, heck, I can take that one off your hands...
1990 D-250 Regular Cab: Tweaked injection pump, built transmission, a cataclysmic charlie foxtrot of electronics, the most intense street-ran water injection system in the country, and some more unique stuff.
User avatar
Begle1
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1968
Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:31 pm
Location: Kihei, Maui, Hawaii
Top

Postby KTA » Thu May 17, 2007 8:44 am

I cant see the pics, but it sounds like everyone else has already told you correctly.
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
User avatar
KTA
diesel guru/mod
 
Posts: 1855
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:23 pm
Location: Shelby County, Ky
Top

Postby 6LCummins » Thu May 17, 2007 10:03 am

So from wat im gettin i dont havea fuel pin in my pump??? am i correct in thinking this?

And Begle if u find me a P pump conversion ill trade ya.
6LCummins
fuel pin?
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 3:46 pm
Top

Postby KTA » Thu May 17, 2007 12:21 pm

That is correct you will not have a fuel pin with no AFC housing. Your adjustments will be limited to the high/low idle screws and max fuel screw. You can also change the governor spring too. That pump would behave basically like a pump with a ground foot and pin only it will full fuel all the time with no boost refrence.
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
User avatar
KTA
diesel guru/mod
 
Posts: 1855
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:23 pm
Location: Shelby County, Ky
Top

Postby Greenleaf » Thu May 17, 2007 12:37 pm

No boost reference.......ahh..........remember the days.

I figgured no AFC worked really well on the old Roosa and so I converted my Bosch :wink:

THat pump shpuld work out just fine. Kinda like the old days prior to EPA/CARB
1990/1992 D250 Ram Diesels Modified by *Smokehouse Diesel* Ashland, Ohio ( )==='==~

Don't have such an open mind that all your brains spilleth out.
Greenleaf
tech specialist/mod
 
Posts: 306
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:36 am
Location: North Central Ohio
Top

Postby 6LCummins » Thu May 17, 2007 1:04 pm

So that Blows azz. wat all do the idles do for the truck??? and i kinda know wat the power screw does but wats the benefits of playin with that?
6LCummins
fuel pin?
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 3:46 pm
Top

Postby meby » Thu May 17, 2007 1:51 pm

6LCummins wrote:So that Blows azz. wat all do the idles do for the truck??? and i kinda know wat the power screw does but wats the benefits of playin with that?


Almost self explanatory, High idle limits top rpm and low idle tells it where to idle. Benefits of fuel screw? :twisted: more fuel.
-1991 D-250 bone stock
-2000 Ford Windstar TDI Diesel 5 spd
-1997 Civic Hatchback
-Case 530 CK
-Old Huskee Garden Tractor w/Cub Cadet deck, Simplicity Snow-blower, loaded tires & chains - is it weird the tractor is modded more than my truck?
-Speedex Walking Tractor.
-BCS Walking Tractor


www.ebyfarmsllc.com
User avatar
meby
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 857
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:14 pm
Location: Southwest Michigan
Top

Postby PToombs » Thu May 17, 2007 3:16 pm

If you turn the fuel screw in, you will have to turn the idle down. :wink:
pete

Just enough power to break everything behind the crankshaft.
User avatar
PToombs
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 11369
Joined: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:13 pm
Location: Syracuse NY. Snow central!
Top

Postby 6LCummins » Thu May 17, 2007 4:05 pm

meby wrote:
6LCummins wrote:So that Blows azz. wat all do the idles do for the truck??? and i kinda know wat the power screw does but wats the benefits of playin with that?


Almost self explanatory, High idle limits top rpm and low idle tells it where to idle. Benefits of fuel screw? :twisted: more fuel.


Yea i know they are pretty self explanatory but i wanna make sure b4 i go mseein with it. and why would i need to turn the idle down??? Would it be good to turn the idle down in winterr to help it run or to turn it up a lil?
6LCummins
fuel pin?
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 3:46 pm
Top

Postby Begle1 » Thu May 17, 2007 4:29 pm

6LCummins wrote:
Yea i know they are pretty self explanatory but i wanna make sure b4 i go mseein with it. and why would i need to turn the idle down??? Would it be good to turn the idle down in winterr to help it run or to turn it up a lil?


When you turn in the fuel screw, the pump injects more fuel across the entire spectrum, so it results in an increased idle. You got to dial the idle speed back down with the screw.

And while you're tweaking, you also need to watch out for runaway so the engine doesn't explode.
1990 D-250 Regular Cab: Tweaked injection pump, built transmission, a cataclysmic charlie foxtrot of electronics, the most intense street-ran water injection system in the country, and some more unique stuff.
User avatar
Begle1
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 1968
Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:31 pm
Location: Kihei, Maui, Hawaii
Top

Postby meby » Fri May 18, 2007 10:18 am

oh.....and then grin from ear to ear as it sets you back in the seat. :wink:
-1991 D-250 bone stock
-2000 Ford Windstar TDI Diesel 5 spd
-1997 Civic Hatchback
-Case 530 CK
-Old Huskee Garden Tractor w/Cub Cadet deck, Simplicity Snow-blower, loaded tires & chains - is it weird the tractor is modded more than my truck?
-Speedex Walking Tractor.
-BCS Walking Tractor


www.ebyfarmsllc.com
User avatar
meby
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 857
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:14 pm
Location: Southwest Michigan
Top

Postby CAJUN 93 » Fri May 18, 2007 2:06 pm

ok greenleaf, i know you've been running with the afc disconnected for a while. my question is aren't the non afc pumps designed to operate on fixed rpm equipment (pumps, generators and such)? if so how do these pumps accomodate for fuel enrichment at varying rpms such as our engines. i understand that we have timing variation accomodated in our pumps but how does it regulate volume of fuel injected per event? if its optimum at say 2700 rpm wont it be way to fat at 1800?

i know its probably simple but the older i get the less flexible my mind becomes. it's getting harder every day to wrap it around things :lol: .

daryl
93 d350 5spd 3.54-bhaf,stg iv,banks intercooler,bosch185,16cm,pacbrake,4" straight exh,pump mods,366 spring,leece-neville alt.
hers- 93 d250 auto 3.54- pump mods only
ours- 93 w350 dually, auto, 3.54. stock for now
parts 93 d350 auto, 92 d250 auto.
User avatar
CAJUN 93
14mm rotor
 
Posts: 545
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:53 am
Location: southeast luziana
Top

Next

Return to Engine

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 23 guests