New sticks

[GLHS]

I see lot's of 5 and 7 hole talk, why not talk about 6 holers?

[pulltilbroke]

Steve, Weston is one of "The Few" injector guys. I would listen to what he has to say. He may come off as a little harsh somtimes but he know his $hit.


just my .02c

[Smokem1]

Can you guess what finger I am holding up for you?

Since my last response was deleted, how about I pose a question to IowaCummins;

You tell people their business, in which you have NO experience, make smart remarks, and then complain when I give factual information while you antagonized? You really think I'm going to let you dazzle the members of this website with your BS?

[oldestof11]

To clarify Weston, I wasn't being smart.

I was wanting to know how you would back that up. Too many "He said that she said that read it on the uncles ex wifes Blueberry..."

[chrislib]

I see lot's of 5 and 7 hole talk, why not talk about 6 holers?

From what I have read (and I am NOOO expert by ant means), even holed nozzles (at least VCO) tend to not spray evenly due to "needle steer". I *think* on SAC nozzles it is a non-issue.

[chrislib]

Ok, so all the "debate" from folks aside ... These new injectors raise a few questions to some "truths" I have held regarding PODs, and these new injctors seem to contradict what I had *thought* was the gospel regarding injector design. We all know PODs haze, it is the ONE thing I could`nt stand about them. I can deal with heavy-ish WOT smoke and EGT`s,running my IP harder than need be due to the pop being too high (and the resultant IP noise and engine clatter from all the damn timing PODs seem to want) but haze?...hate it, really really bad. That said, I had always thought the main reason PODs haze so bad is due to the SAC design tip, something to the effect that the sac holds fuel that does`nt completely burn and thus you get haze. If thats so, then why do these injectors NOT haze...at all(least any I have seen...and I been lookin )? AND if the SAC design is responsible for haze, why did 3rd gens go BACK to a SAC tip?

[IowaCummins]

All I have to say is I present the information I have been told, if you read my posts thats all I give exactly what I was told. So I do know a little cause I learn from what im told and have dealt with. I dont post much about injectors cause I dont know alot but like I said I post what I have been told and shown. Thats all I have to say other than my opinion towards 7 holers is pretty good.
Guys reading this, this is from my experience yes not much but worthy in my oppinion.
Im not out for any record setting numbers or not out to smoke out the streets, just to have as much power I can make and Learn while I do. But I have been getting pretty good mileage with these compared to my old 5x.010s power is deffinately up, the heat is too but idk how they compare to a simular sectional area injector. I dont remember what they were exactly but I thinks just under on area compared to a 6x.016? Idk some of our more knoweledgeable users will know for sure. But for me they work great, more fuel than I need at the moment but hopefully someday I will be fortunate to use all this available fuel :

[Smokem1]

To clarify Weston, I wasn't being smart.

I was wanting to know how you would back that up.

It's the nozzle JL uses, and I know Brian got them from Jack, since that is where he has always gotten them. I know Brian, and many of the guys from that area that pull.

These new injectors raise a few questions to some "truths" I have held regarding PODs, and these new injctors seem to contradict what I had *thought* was the gospel regarding injector design. We all know PODs haze, it is the ONE thing I could`nt stand about them. I can deal with heavy-ish WOT smoke and EGT`s,running my IP harder than need be due to the pop being too high (and the resultant IP noise and engine clatter from all the damn timing PODs seem to want) but haze?...hate it, really really bad. That said, I had always thought the main reason PODs haze so bad is due to the SAC design tip, something to the effect that the sac holds fuel that does`nt completely burn and thus you get haze. If thats so, then why do these injectors NOT haze...at all? AND if the SAC design is responsible for haze, why did 3rd gens go BACK to a SAC tip?

There are many different types of sac nozzles, different sac volumes, different pintle styles that will also alter the sac volume, this is a big variable. You have to remember that the POD has nearly half as many spray orifices that are much larger, and a wider cone angle, all of these come into play. The Common Rail engines used a VCO nozzle until the introduction of the 6.7L, which is micro-blind sac type, with very little sac volume to speak of and a 3.5mm guide vs the 4mm guide previously used.

[Smokem1]

The following thread has been updated where a bit of this is explained.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7418&p=69540