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Re: more POWER!

Postby ahale2772 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:06 pm

Ellis, can't say I know that much about different kinds but I do know most of them are varied in price from their capability to swing a big part, my dads Lablonde can swing a 19 inch (radius) part, its gear driven and has a bunch of doohickies that make it expensive...its old though, lots of the older ones are driven by belts, some are leather (not bad minus the fact that your spare belts dry up), If your thinking about buying one though I say go for it, we once turned a set of military 5lug rims down and cut the centers out and welded them on 16.5 rims, but that's the only time we have come close to using all of the 38 inch capacity.

All of that is just hogwash though because I know nothing about the lathe your looking at :D

We bought our lablond for 2800, great deal 5 years ago, luckily it never cut anything but brass (made 500bucks) off the shavings we got out of the bed :D
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ellis93 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:06 pm

I built a trans for a guy and got it. Figured it was a GOOD deal for me :mrgreen:
As far as the drive, it has 6 Vbelts driving its gear box.
I've not seen the HP rating on the motor but its big and three phase
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ahale2772 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:21 pm

Good snag then, next up get a mill, thenyou can build anything you want :) im gonn modify my shutoff solinoid this weekend and make myself a case pressure guage, ill most likely use the lathe.

Ellis, have you allready got 3phase? We tried a" phaseomatic" for a while then spent the big bucks on a industrial phase converter.
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Re: more POWER!

Postby PToombs » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:32 pm

My buddy has a home made phase converter in his shop. An old electric motor and some fancy switch work and you're rolling.
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ellis93 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:42 pm

Ya I've got it. Leads to cheap power bills if you don't draw a lot of KWs all at once. Only thing we've used it for is our 12hp compressor and shop heat. Now this lathe and I've acquired a giant wash cabinet. I'm looking into buying some head working equipment and a big belt sander. Folks need money around here and I hate to take advatage but they make a price and I pay if I want the item. :oops: ;-)
I'm tring to get were I can cut out the machine shop for engine work. Make more money ;)
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ahale2772 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:53 pm

Very niceee, he have a huge band saw and a military hot tank as well, just don't have the room for all of it.

That phaseomatic thing was just that, an electric motor, but one day it fired under too much load

Truly can never have too many tools :)
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ellis93 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:03 pm

can any one elaborate on That phaseomatic thing. Does it use the windings in the motor to amplify the current or something.
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Re: more POWER!

Postby lectro_static » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:27 am

ellis93 wrote:can any one elaborate on That phaseomatic thing. Does it use the windings in the motor to amplify the current or something.



Do a web search on phase converters, but if you have 3 phase you will NOT want to use a phase converter. Simply put (way over simplified) they take single phase power and run it to 3 different lines to make 3 phase. Running a big load on single phase power and running your power bill up a bunch.
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ahale2772 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:29 pm

Made a case pressure guage setup today, came out awesome. If you gut the internals of a shutoff solinoid there is a hole at the bottom with enough material to thread for 1/8 pipe, after threading the hole i put a fitting in with flare on the other side and turned it on the lathe so the o-ring on the bottom of the shutoff would still fit.

a ninty degree flare fitting and some 250psi parker pushloc later and the setup works mint.

so far. (all readings with KSB off)

Idle=90psi
2000rpm=150psi
2000rpm+ goes steadily up to a max of 210psi

rompin on it at low rpm =90-110 psi
rompin on it at 1800+rpm= 150- 220 psi

cant wait to see the case pressure drop with some big injectors, im going to dual feed the pump once i see the case pressure drop below 80 or so psi under load with big sticks

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at idle (yes the guage is now in the cab)
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this one goes out to Mr. Toombs , thanks for the idea, my guage is no longer crazy

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Re: more POWER!

Postby ahale2772 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:42 pm

here is a Video of PSI vs rpm with no load

its idling at 100psi, second dash is 150...ect ect

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Re: more POWER!

Postby PToombs » Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:59 pm

Hey, slacker! Back the high idle screw out and make sure the fuel lever isn't hitting the fuel inlet line!
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ahale2772 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:20 pm

yeah i knnowwwww.... need to do some indexing, it hits the fuel line way before it hits the high idle, seems like it gets all the rpms tho, goes like a banshie and boost drops off fast once the govenor hits, im planning a full rebuild of the fuel system, saying its a mess is a massive understatement, most of it is the old fishermans work. replaced my cable shutoff today, was a cable running to a piece of twine :oops:
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ahale2772 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:57 am

I hate when projects get put on the back burner :(

money got tight in a milisecond, the guy who gave me a crashed donor truck a while back came back to me and tried to reclaim alot of his stuff, I have been advertising all of his junk for a long timeeeeee and now he wants sole proiperty over it all, I need to give him another 500 for the parts he THINKS he owns (even though ive been storing them and helping him fix his truck for the last 4 months!!)

it all sounds complicated but when he first gave me the truck i ripped out the five speed swap, firesaled it and paid him 500 for the parts of the truck (he agreed on that price), now he thinks he can pressure me into more money

what was that thing about the arrogance of athority???...yeah he is a retired cop and he thinks he can drag me around by my balls because we never had a written agreement....UGHHHH

the "spare motor" i was using to mock up my head was his and now i have to pay him more money to get him off my back.

hopefully ill replenish my cash stock and get some more parts in in the next couple weeks.

I did fix the manifold by heating it up while it was bolted down to the head, this fixed my warpage issue. Also got a bunch of studs to fasten the manifold, fine thread stainless studs with hardened black oxide nuts and washers ....mmmmmmmm

sorry for the rant but this bum is giving me the runaround about this parts truck...remind me to never make deals with retired cops who are used to 80bucks an hour
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Re: more POWER!

Postby ahale2772 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:10 am

I do have a couple pics of the head sitting one the engine, right now it wont sit flush because the flange protrudes off the front of the head a bit and wont fit behind the front cover, nothing a grinder wont fix I was just tired of heaving that 80lb slab to the front of the shop

Oh yeah, I am meeting a lawyer from" inventhelp.com" to talk about patents for the clear pto covers :)

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the IP does not hit the manifold even fully pushed to the head :)

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Re: more POWER!

Postby ellis93 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:56 am

Spoken agreements, although hard to prove, are a binding contract and small claims court will recognize them. I've had two such instances were someone has done me that way, one I lost the other I won because of a witness.

That intake looks great man.
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