Is it a First Gen??

[Mark Nixon]

How about the fact it can support 600+ at the wheels? How about the fact the triples were built for about the same price as a compressor upgrade? Notice the stock twin downpipes for the triples?? We do plenty of articles on people that want to trade money for horsepower, but this isn't one of them. It's for you cheapos who don't want to spend any money. If you don't want to spend money, and can't appreciate ingenuity that results in actual gains, then I got nothing for ya.

Simmer down.
Yeah, I can see some ingenuity there. Lotsa' ingenious people out there, too.
All it takes is the skill to execute what's in the mind, any fool can do it, if he sets his mind to it.

I like to street drive what I have and I don't like cops harassing me because of what I drive.
I'm also not looking to street drive unusable horsepower that sends a pyrometer to the meltdown point just by merely touching the pedal.

As far as being "cheapos", there comes a point where pouring money into a vehicle that you can only drive at a track becomes a pointless venture.
Some wake up and realize it before going broke. Some never do.

I'd like for a Magazine to do a full year's worth of "Reader's Rides" type of stuff, the good, the bad AND the ugly, focus on a few rust spots and some puddles of oil, greasy engine blocks and undercarrieges, take a look at some ingenious BACKYARD HACK/GARAGE type of stuff instead of insisting on pretty jobs and high dollar super-duper gee whiz type stuff.
Yeah, the car/truck thingy above quantifies as something in that realm.

Stuff like Pulltilbroke and stillsmokin runs.

Mark.

[JQmile]

Simmer down.
Yeah, I can see some ingenuity there. Lotsa' ingenious people out there, too.
All it takes is the skill to execute what's in the mind, any fool can do it, if he sets his mind to it.

So let me get this straight, my buddy isn't more creative than the next person, and he's also a fool? Thanks, but I'll make sure to keep the future budget stuff off of here and stick to $10k common-rail builds.

[Mark Nixon]

So let me get this straight, my buddy isn't more creative than the next person, and he's also a fool? Thanks, but I'll make sure to keep the future budget stuff off of here and stick to $10k common-rail builds.

Do you not have a sense of humor, or do you just get butthurt easily?
Lighten up man, it's just an opinion.

Mark.

[AHineman]

Thanks, but I'll make sure to keep the future budget stuff off of here and stick to $10k common-rail builds.

Still cheaper than rust bucket.

[BC847]

Everybody go pee and get a cold beer/tea. Geez.

[Mark Nixon]

Still cheaper than rust bucket.

I'll 2nd that one.
I have one big headache to deal with, if I keep that rusty "Kelvinator".

David, I'm N/A.

Mark.

[AHineman]

Just a joke.


I dig the rat rod with tripples.
Some day I'll have enough time, money, and left over parts to build one.

[JQmile]

Feel free to do it cheaper you guys

Remember to use retail prices as well, used/buddy-buddy stuff doesn't count, because those prices vary!

[stillsmokin]

Simmer down.
Yeah, I can see some ingenuity there. Lotsa' ingenious people out there, too.
All it takes is the skill to execute what's in the mind, any fool can do it, if he sets his mind to it.

I like to street drive what I have and I don't like cops harassing me because of what I drive.
I'm also not looking to street drive unusable horsepower that sends a pyrometer to the meltdown point just by merely touching the pedal.

As far as being "cheapos", there comes a point where pouring money into a vehicle that you can only drive at a track becomes a pointless venture.
Some wake up and realize it before going broke. Some never do.

I'd like for a Magazine to do a full year's worth of "Reader's Rides" type of stuff, the good, the bad AND the ugly, focus on a few rust spots and some puddles of oil, greasy engine blocks and undercarrieges, take a look at some ingenious BACKYARD HACK/GARAGE type of stuff instead of insisting on pretty jobs and high dollar super-duper gee whiz type stuff.
Yeah, the car/truck thingy above quantifies as something in that realm.

Stuff like Pulltilbroke and stillsmokin runs.

Mark.

No, not really enough there for it to be a 89-93 truck I guess. Rat rods are neat, us local guys are pitching in to help somebody get a 4bt, compounded 53 GMC going. It's kind of Hot Rod deluxe material I think, my $0.02.

FWIW I kind of feel like mark does. I can see the mags side of the coin too there's alot of political stuff that has to happen to keep them profitable. I realize that it would be difficult to try and appease all of the readers of any particular magazine. But, at the end of the day I'm afraid the plug and play high dollar rides are covering most of the pages. I take some offense to being called a "cheapo". I and alot of others have to get awful ingenuitive to move forward with a project and there are NO FUNDS, because it's all gone to the mortgage, because we are underpaid.

Personally, I really wanted to build a truck that would get into a magazine the honest way, by building a reputation. I figured after the way it ran this year (harder than hell and video documenting it) I might get a little recognition in one of the diesel mags....crickets are all I heard. Getting into a magazine was a life goal of mine, I gave up. I feel like the mags aren't looking for talent, they're are waiting for it to send an e-mail. I just can't do that, I want to earn my spot in those pages. Trouble is, I think lots of rusty crap that runs insane has been passed over. At least I know now I got somebodys attention, press or no press.

JQ, I don't know ya, no offense to ya. Just speaking my mind, kind of frustrated.

[oldestof11]

How about the fact it can support 600+ at the wheels? How about the fact the triples were built for about the same price as a compressor upgrade? Notice the stock twin downpipes for the triples?? We do plenty of articles on people that want to trade money for horsepower, but this isn't one of them. It's for you cheapos who don't want to spend any money. If you don't want to spend money, and can't appreciate ingenuity that results in actual gains, then I got nothing for ya.

Simmer down.
Yeah, I can see some ingenuity there. Lotsa' ingenious people out there, too.
All it takes is the skill to execute what's in the mind, any fool can do it, if he sets his mind to it.

I like to street drive what I have and I don't like cops harassing me because of what I drive.
I'm also not looking to street drive unusable horsepower that sends a pyrometer to the meltdown point just by merely touching the pedal.

As far as being "cheapos", there comes a point where pouring money into a vehicle that you can only drive at a track becomes a pointless venture.
Some wake up and realize it before going broke. Some never do.

I'd like for a Magazine to do a full year's worth of "Reader's Rides" type of stuff, the good, the bad AND the ugly, focus on a few rust spots and some puddles of oil, greasy engine blocks and undercarrieges, take a look at some ingenious BACKYARD HACK/GARAGE type of stuff instead of insisting on pretty jobs and high dollar super-duper gee whiz type stuff.
Yeah, the car/truck thingy above quantifies as something in that realm.

Stuff like Pulltilbroke and stillsmokin runs.

Mark.

You, Mark, have done different things, like the wedge-bed (neatly useful), Damncharger (different and cool), and a crew cab. All done with trucks from different years, and parts bought cheaper than most. However, the majority of people out there, have newer trucks where they pay others to do it for them.

Jeff worked hard on his puller. Putting a VE'd truck near the top of his pulling org deserves recognition. However, most are not paying for the mag to see this.

I think Jason is TRYING to add more of this type of stuff. There are more than just 2-3 guys running that mag.

I applaud all of you. Mark for showing how it's done cheaper, Jeff for showing we can compete in motorsports with an underdog, and Jason for showing the potential for rust buckets.

I like Diesel World, there is a lot of tech-style step-by-step how to's. I like Diesel Power for the cool new features and event coverage. Both have pro's and con's.

[mbdpp]

I totally agree guys would love to be in a magazine, and yeah it would be cool, will I ever be? I doubt it! but will i be happy with what I build? Absolutely! With the new stuff coming out there is more and more going newer and newer. it would be great to see some more exposure on the first gens in the magazines, since it is getting harder and harder to find parts.

Right now I am rebuilding a 93 and trying to give it some good parts, maybe things that some overlook, or maybe some, one up what I am doing, but hey it makes sense to me. Examples are: swapping the front hubs out for Chev hubs from a 72 2500 in order to have the 9/16" studs over the 1/2" (which you dont have to change the hubs to do, but I did) The main reason I did this is to match the dana 70 from the 96 that I got since it has 9/16" Studs. There are more things I am doing, including driving 3000 miles in a month and a half to get a rust free body. My point is, I will not need to be in a magazine to be happy, every time I drive the truck when I am done I will be happy.

Is the rat rod worthy of First Gen Status? To me.... no. Is it cool, oh yeah and someday maybe I will have to build one.

[Kasper Cummins]

Sure I'll call it a first gen, the triple turbos look cool but he should put heat wrap on the down pipes for a hot rod look.
And I still enjoy reader Diesel Power cover to cover, so keep up the good work some of us still like it.

[Deathrod]

I like the CAT fight!!!!.....i guess that means mines not a 1st gen??????? awww shucks can i still play with you guys?

[oldestof11]

It isn't a 1st Gen in the classical sense, (heck look at the chit storm I started with asking if a 1st Gen was 81-93 as opposed to 89-93 Cummins) but it is a 1st Gen at heart. So yeah, you are fine.

[dazedandconfused]

Mine isn't technically a 1st gen in the way everyone classifys them. She is just a little ugly mut.