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92 Fuel Issues

Postby Ryker Carruthers » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:27 pm

Awhile after I got my 92 w250, occasionally it would miss and sputter and would have air in the lines for no apparent reason. Didn't matter what the tank level was, time of day, but it always had engine temp when it happened. For awhile it was normal. I had to make a 800 mile trip one weekend and all was well. I got maybe 2 hours in on the way home and I pulled into the gas station to eat. Got back in and it did it again. I limped over to the pump and put 17 gallons in. Blocked the wheels and cracked the injectors. got it started and saw a lot of air in the lines. Got it to run and I ran out and tightened the ones that were pure fuel. got them all tight and then it did it again. Loosened a hair and got it running. Tried and tried for 5 minutes or so and was showing no signs of an end. I reved it a little to keep it alive and bam. Pure fuel no air at every line. No problems for another two weeks or so. If you did flat foot it, it would do it again. it would cut out before it wanted to go. So I decided to get a lpplp. My stock pump was leaking quite a bit so I figured maybe it'd help. Got the pump on A-Ok and pumped it till fuel came out the banjo bolt on the fuel heater. Started it and it ran okay for a minute and then lots of air like before. I figured it was just from having all the lines open and cracked the injectors. I tried and tried to get all the air out but it never stopped. Tightened them and opened again, gave it a little throttle like before and they were clean. Went for a test drive and it felt a little more doggy. Still cut out if you got into it hard. Now a few weeks later (Friday) I was coming home from creston and it cut out going by MM's place. probably warned me I should have stopped.. :/ but then just came back to life. maybe 2 miles down the road it died. Coasted for a mile. stropped and cracked the injectors cranked over and there is only fuel, barely any at that coming out cylinder #3. I pumped the lift pump and that was all I saw. No signs anywhere else. Crank over and prime. Still just barely a flow at #3. That night we drug it home behind Daniels truck. Today I put 5 gallons in it and still nothing. It is not out of fuel. I can prime it and still only at #3. If I prime it and then wait a min or two there will be no pressure in the filter, is that normal? Any Ideas guys? What is to blame?
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby oldestof11 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:09 pm

Still have the fuel shutdown solenoid?
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby Ryker Carruthers » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:45 pm

No sir. Burnt the tip off so i gutted it and ordered one and never put it on...
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby oldestof11 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:25 pm

I would pull the fuel line from filter to turbo to make sure the LP is pumping. If it is, next thing to check would be the IP gear. If both of those check out, its something internal on the pump.
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby Ryker Carruthers » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:31 pm

Fuel line from filter to turbo? I loosened the banjo bolt on the outlet of the fuel heater and pumped it and it squirted fuel. Internal on the injection pump you are saying?
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby PToombs » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:52 pm

He meant to the injection pump. Does it come from # 3 constantly, or just a squirt when it's supposed to fire? With these added problems I'm thinking the IP is bad.
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby Ryker Carruthers » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:35 pm

Its hard to tell Pete. It doesnt squirt high engough for me to see when cranking over. It just barely poops out above the nut.. If i stand there and prime it it will come out #3. Okay then I crank it over. Pump it some more, #3. Thats all ya get.
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby oldestof11 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:36 pm

I did mean injection pump. :lol:

I'd take off the injection lines at the pump or injectors. You need to see if they are alternating. Then make a jumper wire from the starter solenoid to the battery. You can stand there and crank the truck then.
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby cmann250 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:51 pm

Roll the engine over a few degrees by hand and if it still only lets fuel out of #3, then chit's broke. That'll rule out the chance that he engine stops in the exact same place every time, which they like to do. Plus on every mechanical engine I've dealt with, the fuel steam is several inches tall with the injectors cracked.

If you're optimistic, rule out every connection in the fuel system from tank to pump.
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby Ryker Carruthers » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:54 pm

Okay i can do that. But if i just loosened them at the injector wouldnt that be essentially the same as taking them off???There is no alternation. Fuel comes out #3 only just to clarify...
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby Ryker Carruthers » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:56 pm

Yep if you had cracked the injectors before they would squirt several inches high. Now it is just a seep out of it
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby PToombs » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:05 pm

I didn't want to say it before but with fuel coming out of #3 only it sounds like the pump shaft is broken. I fixed a skid steer did that once, guy was running veggie oil in -10 temps. Drove out of his heated garage, about 15 minutes later the machine quit.
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby Ryker Carruthers » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:39 am

Well pete I talked to a guy at Precision Diesel in Red Oak and he gave me a few pointers and it seems like the injectors were letting compression back into the injection pump. 5x.12s on the way. We'll see. I would almost prefer having my pump resealed and rebuilt anyway...
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby oldestof11 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:01 pm

You have delivery valves. That shouldn't happen.
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Re: 92 Fuel Issues

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:29 pm

Agreed.... unless I'm not thinking correctly, that just flat doesn't make any sense to me.
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