Didnt know any better

[fourwheelininajeep]

Hey just wanted to hear what everybody is saying bad about diesel cares injectors, what should I watch for. I had the mechanic down there send me a set of injectors, they say lucas on them but I dont know the number. So far I am very impressed with them but I read an article on the forum about dieselcare not being worth a darn. The only thing that I noticed about the injectors is, when it is warm 70 degrees and my truck sit from when I get to work at about 7:00 to lunch 12:00 or so, when I start it it loads up and smokes if I rev it without load as soon as a let the clutch out it clears right up and runs great. Next stoplight it will load up slightly when I rev it with no load and again when I take off it clears up, the third or fourth time I stop It has cleared up and runs like a champ. Get like 23 miles to the gallon, less smoke, more power(about a 40 hp gain) even sounds meaner, the injectors werent bigger they were just better fuel spray is what he told me. Sorry about the book, I know a lot about how injection pumps and diesels work, but this one has got me stumped. Any info on why people dont like dieselcare would also be awesome

[SNOOT]

I would guess that they are close to a POD injector. They may have a lower pop pressure as well. You a stick so with a set of POD's you will not smoke as much as an auto with them. If you let the clutch out at low rpms and stick it I bet you leave a pretty good puff ...

There an OK injector and make good power for the buck.

[fourwheelininajeep]

They smoke the same as a what the stock injectors did, but I got more power all the way through, boost is faster coming on and better top end

[dpuckett]

Pull one and get a hole count for us. (in the tip)

What washers did you use?

40hp gain, good MPG, and keeping the smoke down definitely doesnt sound like PODs. PODs arent the only sticks Lucas made, so they could be something different.

Good to hear something good from a lesser-known vendor. See whose BS meters go off.

Daniel

[ford69557ci]

I have used dc&p stuff quite allot in powerstroke and cummins 24v bus apps.
I have used tons of their factory replacement injectors and vp44 pump and even a few for hpop's and never had a problem. Some of that stuff has racked up 90k and is still goin strong.

[fourwheelininajeep]

This isnt the feedback that I expected therefore I am not afraid to tell you what else he did. I had injection pump problems, leaking from the hydralic head, I pulled it apart and sealed it myself and the truck ran for ten seconds then died I spent hours trying to figure it out and finally called steve at diesel care( the mechanic) and sent him my pump and asked about injectors, he went through my entire pump and told me he couldnt find anything wrong(the guys here in town quoted my 1400 dollars to replace every piece on the pump, there way of saying they didnt know either) he was cool enough to admit it, so he replace the plug at the end of the hydralic head and sent it back to me, he also said there was a lot of rust do to water. I got it back and come to find out a vent tube on my tank was missing and I had 2 gallons of water at the bottom of my tank(stupid huh) so if I would have had the pump fixed here in town I would have paid 1400 dollars for nothing, instead I paid 1300 dollars, I got a rebuilt pump(again) and a set of Injectors he also put a 3200 spring in my pump and bigger return springs since they are prone to breaking. In my opinion diesel care and performance is the best thing that could have happend to me

The injectors are a 4 hole and the holes are about the same size as stock
but the pattern of the holes where different. My dads truck has the same set with a banks intercooler and 12 cm housing, his truck gets 20 in town and is pulling 30 pounds of boost, but it feels like 45 or 50 because the truck runs so efficient. Might be something to look into if you want the power without sacrificing mileage and reliability

[nooblet]

This isnt the feedback that I expected therefore I am not afraid to tell you what else he did. I had injection pump problems, leaking from the hydralic head, I pulled it apart and sealed it myself and the truck ran for ten seconds then died I spent hours trying to figure it out and finally called steve at diesel care( the mechanic) and sent him my pump and asked about injectors, he went through my entire pump and told me he couldnt find anything wrong(the guys here in town quoted my 1400 dollars to replace every piece on the pump, there way of saying they didnt know either) he was cool enough to admit it, so he replace the plug at the end of the hydralic head and sent it back to me, he also said there was a lot of rust do to water. I got it back and come to find out a vent tube on my tank was missing and I had 2 gallons of water at the bottom of my tank(stupid huh) so if I would have had the pump fixed here in town I would have paid 1400 dollars for nothing, instead I paid 1300 dollars, I got a rebuilt pump(again) and a set of Injectors he also put a 3200 spring in my pump and bigger return springs since they are prone to breaking. In my opinion diesel care and performance is the best thing that could have happend to me

The injectors are a 4 hole and the holes are about the same size as stock
but the pattern of the holes where different. My dads truck has the same set with a banks intercooler and 12 cm housing, his truck gets 20 in town and is pulling 30 pounds of boost, but it feels like 45 or 50 because the truck runs so efficient. Might be something to look into if you want the power without sacrificing mileage and reliability

Thats really stand up of him to tell you he couldn't find anything wrong. Stories like make a business sound really appealing! $1400 for a rebuild is insane... My local injection shop charged me $800 and installed the 3200 rpm spring for me, another set of good guys.

Chris

[fourwheelininajeep]

Thanks for the response Chris, I made a typo, Steve at diesel care would have fixed it for 500 but I wanted the bigger springs for return and governer so he gave it to me at 700 and I had 350 in injectors so my part of it was only 1050 dollars the other 300 was my dads injectors we ordered them at the same time. What really pisses me off is that I built the pump myself and did a damn good job at it, every time I touched anything I cleaned it and washed my hands, that was the only pump that you could see yourself in and all that work went to waste because I had stinkin water in the fuel tank, I didnt even need my pump rebuilt again after I did it oh well, live and learn. Steve was really cool about it and made a fast return for being a couple thousand miles away from me, it took about a week of working days for him to get my pump rebuild it, ordered some injectors and ship them back to me, thats why I wanted to make sure before I go suggesting Diesel care that there reputation was decent. The job they did on mine is worth mentioning

[dpuckett]

Your sticks sound similar to my Bully Dog 80hp sticks in the W350. They are the same number on the tip that the marine injectors I got from DDP were. Only thing is, I went back to stock, and cut smoke, and gained about 1.5-2mpg across the board by ditching the marines.

DP

[Arville]

Does the water/fuel separator not take care of the water in your tank? I just bought a flooded truck and have been bleeding it out when the water in fuel light comes on. Certainly don't wanna end up with a rusty pump. Time to drop the tank?

[PToombs]

I sure would! The water will promote algae growth, then you have a big mess, plugged filters, crap in the whole system. Drop it, clean it, dump in some algacide to be safe.

[fourwheelininajeep]

My truck is the deffinition of farm truck, therfore the water in fuel is not hooked up, the wires have been cut, my dads truck has 276000 miles on it and the light has never come on so I thought nothing of it. I already dropped the tank and drained the fuel and have gone through about 2 gallons of diesel fuel additive as to get any other water out of the lines, my pump did have a little of rust in it but steve at diesel care said he has seen a lot worse go thousands of miles without any problems, as for these injectors so far I am loving it but with the warming up of spring around here my truck is starting to act up as I explained(misses when I start it up after sitting for 5 or so hours until I drive it and it clears up it only misses at an idle and no load rpms but if I have the clutch out it runs great

[cummins king]

it sounds like my old pump, it turns out both of the returns spring were busted in three difrent places, but other then the missing it still ran great

[fourwheelininajeep]

I think I just may have a week spring or leaky injector, it leak when it sits when its hot outside then when I start it up I have to burn all the old fuel out and bleed the one injector until it clears up. I dont know if I am going to worry about it the truck runs fine.

[PToombs]

If that's the problem, you wanna get that fixed quick too. It can wash down the cylinder, then you have bigger issues.